545i Vs 535d
03-28-2006, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Georgos' post='261297' date='Mar 28 2006, 01:20 PM
Sorry, but your talking nonsence now. Since i am serious i expect u to be also.
03-28-2006, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by M3>535d' post='261310' date='Mar 28 2006, 01:33 PM
Well as my handle suggests i came from an M3 to the none smoking not bad sounding 535d
As a stock motor the performance was not bad but definately no where near the M3 , but as a ramapped turbo
diesel this thing puts the same smile on my face that the M3 did.
I have duelled an m3csl from 80mph to 163mph and the csl could not pass me on the motorway this
is where all that torque really kicks you in the seat of your pants.
After owning the M3 and the 4.6 X5 i really didnt think i would ever see the day i was tempted by a derv but try
it i did and i'm not dissapointed .
As a stock motor the performance was not bad but definately no where near the M3 , but as a ramapped turbo
diesel this thing puts the same smile on my face that the M3 did.
I have duelled an m3csl from 80mph to 163mph and the csl could not pass me on the motorway this
is where all that torque really kicks you in the seat of your pants.
After owning the M3 and the 4.6 X5 i really didnt think i would ever see the day i was tempted by a derv but try
it i did and i'm not dissapointed .
. i for one really cannot believe that they can keep up, but i take your word for it.you sure he downshifted to properly race you?
03-28-2006, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by M3>535d' post='261310' date='Mar 28 2006, 03:33 PM
Well as my handle suggests i came from an M3 to the none smoking not bad sounding 535d
As a stock motor the performance was not bad but definately no where near the M3 , but as a ramapped turbo
diesel this thing puts the same smile on my face that the M3 did.
I have duelled an m3csl from 80mph to 163mph and the csl could not pass me on the motorway this
is where all that torque really kicks you in the seat of your pants.
After owning the M3 and the 4.6 X5 i really didnt think i would ever see the day i was tempted by a derv but try
it i did and i'm not dissapointed .
As a stock motor the performance was not bad but definately no where near the M3 , but as a ramapped turbo
diesel this thing puts the same smile on my face that the M3 did.
I have duelled an m3csl from 80mph to 163mph and the csl could not pass me on the motorway this
is where all that torque really kicks you in the seat of your pants.
After owning the M3 and the 4.6 X5 i really didnt think i would ever see the day i was tempted by a derv but try
it i did and i'm not dissapointed .
03-28-2006, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Georgos' post='261316' date='Mar 28 2006, 02:41 PM
Mmmm, if u both started in 6st gear i believe u but if the CSL got back to 3rd gear (and u used your kick-down as u probably did) it couldnt be possible.
elephant ear side mirror and as soon as i saw the front of the csl lift i burried the loud pedal into the carpet.
03-28-2006, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='261309' date='Mar 28 2006, 08:32 AM
BS. I sayed that the 545i was benchmarked exhaustively, the 550i has not been yet. I do not for any reason believe that the 550 would be slower
I'm not saying the benchmark figures are not accurate, but i'm quoting the manufacturers figures & i'd guess they'll be at least close to the real thing. I've never known any manufacturer understae their figures to the degree that you state, that being a benchmarked 545i is faster than the manufacturers claims for the 550i.
Perhaps i'm wrong. Anyhow, i've stated the facts & my opinion & excluding my mistake in that 545i's were sold in the UK up until 2 years ago, i've yet to be proved wrong on the performance statistics & if a 545i is slightly quicker than a DMS 535D then i'll still sleep at night, knowing any difference would be marginal & that i'm returning mid-high 30's MPG & that my car is being compared to a V8 & yet it's a lowly diesel, My how these oil burners have pogressed. Finally prior to purchasing this car, i'd never have dreamt of owning a diesel, but the 535D has converted my way of thinking & i'm loving both the ballistic performance & the excellent mpg as well as the great drive/handling & equipment levels.
03-28-2006, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Georgos' post='261308' date='Mar 28 2006, 04:31 PM
Ok, i'll explain once more and please read cause you dont seems so good in that.
I NEVER, repeat NEVER said its unfair, NEVER, look it up if you want. The only reason why i started about the turbo's is because someone seemed so impressed that a 3 liter diesel was comparable to a 4.5 liter V8. Thats when i brought the turbo's up, to show that it was not so impressive cause it has two turbo's.
Capice?...
I NEVER, repeat NEVER said its unfair, NEVER, look it up if you want. The only reason why i started about the turbo's is because someone seemed so impressed that a 3 liter diesel was comparable to a 4.5 liter V8. Thats when i brought the turbo's up, to show that it was not so impressive cause it has two turbo's.
Capice?...
I think it's impressive. If you don't think so clearly you haven't driven one. The diesel imo has only it's week points in sound, but that at idle. When revver hard it no longer makes a diesel noise, more of a shouting v8 noise. As shown at TG the diesel clearly is cheaper to run, cheaper to maintain, is a bit more silent at 70mph (66 dB vs 70 in the 545i) and "as confident in the bends". Really now i don't see your point. I for one find it as a good comparison to the 545i so many other people, journalists. AND neither of them said that the diesel is not that impressive since it has another turbo. On the contrary...
03-28-2006, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Georgos' post='261316' date='Mar 28 2006, 08:41 AM
Mmmm, if u both started in 6st gear i believe u but if the CSL got back to 3rd gear (and u used your kick-down as u probably did) it couldnt be possible.
You own an M3, so you'll defend it to the death & so you should, they're an amazing car, but please be open minded when someone informs you about a real world experience.
All these .2 & .3 sec differences are a knats pube in the real world & would not gove rise to a giant killing performance. No-one is saying that their 535D is better than your M3 or better than someone elses 540, 545 or 550i, just a different proposition & hardly a slouch when breathed upon by a quality tuning house. You have to remember that a DMS or the like re-map, increase the power by 60BHP & increases torque by well over 120nm.
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you wil find that german manufacturers usually are very pessimistic in their times for 0-60. I would refer you to Znod, who seems to have all the official published results for the USA.
Just to point you to two obvious results
0-60
M5 : manufacturers 4.6s : R&T 4.3s
E55 : manufacturer 4.7s : R&T 4.2s
on the other hand DMS publishe their very BEST score, one they have done after 100s of tests
Just to point you to two obvious results
0-60
M5 : manufacturers 4.6s : R&T 4.3s
E55 : manufacturer 4.7s : R&T 4.2s
Mercedes E55 AMG RT 6/03 4.20 12.40 116.40
Mercedes E55 AMG CD 5/03 4.30 12.50 116.00
BMW M5 CD 1/06 4.20 12.50 118.00
BMW M5 MT 3/06 4.80 12.90 114.90
Mercedes E55 AMG CD 5/03 4.30 12.50 116.00
BMW M5 CD 1/06 4.20 12.50 118.00
BMW M5 MT 3/06 4.80 12.90 114.90
on the other hand DMS publishe their very BEST score, one they have done after 100s of tests
03-28-2006, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='261327' date='Mar 28 2006, 03:59 PM
Can you not see the pattern forming???
You own an M3, so you'll defend it to the death & so you should, they're an amazing car, but please be open minded when someone informs you about a real world experience.
All these .2 & .3 sec differences are a knats pube in the real world & would not gove rise to a giant killing performance. No-one is saying that their 535D is better than your M3 or better than someone elses 540, 545 or 550i, just a different proposition & hardly a slouch when breathed upon by a quality tuning house. You have to remember that a DMS or the like re-map, increase the power by 60BHP & increases torque by well over 120nm.
You own an M3, so you'll defend it to the death & so you should, they're an amazing car, but please be open minded when someone informs you about a real world experience.
All these .2 & .3 sec differences are a knats pube in the real world & would not gove rise to a giant killing performance. No-one is saying that their 535D is better than your M3 or better than someone elses 540, 545 or 550i, just a different proposition & hardly a slouch when breathed upon by a quality tuning house. You have to remember that a DMS or the like re-map, increase the power by 60BHP & increases torque by well over 120nm.
First of all i dont own an M3 anymore. I have an E61 as you can see.
Second of all, i have been racing bmw's (circuit and street) for about 10 years now so i do know what they are capable of. And if someone says that he beat an M3 CSL with his 535d (remapped or not) it can certainly happen but only due to circumstances like driver, first person on the gas or car condition. If both cars would have equal drivers and make a 0-200 kph sprint or 80-165mph as u wish, the CSL would definitely win. No doublt. Get real, 360hp, 1380kg and a 0-100kph in 4.8sec.
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Originally Posted by Georgos' post='261332' date='Mar 28 2006, 02:12 PM
Get real, 360hp, 1380kg and a 0-100kph in 4.8sec.
