545i Vs 535d
03-28-2006, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='261254' date='Mar 28 2006, 12:42 PM
I was refering to the (non-stock) 400BHP Supra that was mentioned
Veilside supra with a 3litre inline bi-turbo engine . producing 1040bhp/1050nm
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1824.html
03-28-2006, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='261234' date='Mar 28 2006, 07:22 AM
yes but thats not the same thing as saying that the 545i was NOT available in the uk. Yes it ahs been replaced by the 550i.
BMW's times for their range are pessimistic, most cars are quicker. DMS's times are quite optimistic , i dont think any of their modded cars will run 0-62 in 5.5
read this
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=21913
and
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=22686
Znod And grogan545 have accurately measured that teh 545i untuned can do 0-60 in around 5.05-5.1s
And besides the DMS figures have not been confrimed by any magazine. EVO itself (as far as i remember) did not test the time
ACTUALLY Grogan545 managed a 0-60 sprint (timed) for 4.90s with dtc and dsc on and in D (not DS)
BMW's times for their range are pessimistic, most cars are quicker. DMS's times are quite optimistic , i dont think any of their modded cars will run 0-62 in 5.5
read this
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=21913
and
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=22686
Znod And grogan545 have accurately measured that teh 545i untuned can do 0-60 in around 5.05-5.1s
And besides the DMS figures have not been confrimed by any magazine. EVO itself (as far as i remember) did not test the time
ACTUALLY Grogan545 managed a 0-60 sprint (timed) for 4.90s with dtc and dsc on and in D (not DS)
I said BMW DO NOT sell a 545i in the UK which is perfectly CORRECT if they stopped selling it 2 years ago & have replaced it with the 550i. So now it's a 540i or 550i.
03-28-2006, 03:46 AM
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also the Blitz Skyline commemorative edition. Launched in the last year of production. Stock car with a 2.75litre turbo engine producing 850bhp
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1402.html
there... ive finished with ot
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1402.html
there... ive finished with ot
03-28-2006, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='261257' date='Mar 28 2006, 07:44 AM
mate ... stock is a very intersting concept. Just for reference this is a stock-car for sale
Veilside supra with a 3litre inline bi-turbo engine . producing 1040bhp/1050nm
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1824.html
Veilside supra with a 3litre inline bi-turbo engine . producing 1040bhp/1050nm
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1824.html
Can we now forget about Supra's & Skylines as they have no relation to this debate & i nver brought them into this debate in the 1st place.
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='261258' date='Mar 28 2006, 12:45 PM
Is my English not very good??
I said BMW DO NOT sell a 545i in the UK which is perfectly CORRECT if they stopped selling it 2 years ago & have replaced it with the 550i. So now it's a 540i or 550i.
I said BMW DO NOT sell a 545i in the UK which is perfectly CORRECT if they stopped selling it 2 years ago & have replaced it with the 550i. So now it's a 540i or 550i.
i must be blind. Or maybe its your englishhttp://forums.e60.net/index.php?s=&showtop...ndpost&p=261178
03-28-2006, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='261220' date='Mar 28 2006, 07:05 AM
shite is saying that BMW dont offer the 545i in the UK. the other statement is argumented by tests. Go read the other forums
go check Znod's theads. The 545i unmodded can roun 0-100 in little over 5 seconds
go check Znod's theads. The 545i unmodded can roun 0-100 in little over 5 seconds
BMW DO NOT offer the 545i in the UK, they used to but certainly don't now. I was wrong in thinking they never did, should have said that "to the best of my knowledge they never did"
All getting a little silly now though. We can throw stats back & forth all day long in the my dick is bigger than yours debate. Fact stands that you reckon the standard 545i is quicker that the standard 550i which i'm sure will tickle BMW no end & pi$$ 550i owners off a little. Fact stands that the difference between a standard 545i & modified 535D is minimal, i believe the 535D would take it but i could be wrong.
Final point is that i've driven an E60 540i & 550i & my car when standard felt slightly quicker than the 540i so my assumption would be for a standard 545i to be quicker than my 535 standard bit perhaps not now it's been modified, but i can only comment on my experiences, not other peoples. I'm sure after a while i'll have more head to head examples, but as i did not buy this car to be a performance monster (i'd have kept the RS6 if i;d wanted that) i'm happy in the knowledge that i just could if i needed to
I'll have some real world track experiences & drag with an M3 & M3CSL in a couple of months, so can talk about real world experiences then.
03-28-2006, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Georgos' post='261212' date='Mar 28 2006, 01:00 PM
U r forgetting one thing. The diesel has two turbo's!!!!
Take any 3 liter biturbo and the diesel will be humiliated.
Take any 3 liter biturbo and the diesel will be humiliated.
Are you saying that that makes this an unfair comparison? Should we be comparing a 535d to a mitsubushi GTO or a supra - that doesn't seem right to me.
Diesel engines need turbo charging to compete - no question about that. But with petrol you have (at least) 3 significant options - natural aspiration / supercharging and turbo-chargin). A 3 litre na engine doesn't have to be slower than a 3 litre turbo charged engine - it's not that simple.
My point was, that with the new technologies (bi-turbos, aluminium cylinder blocks, piezzo electric ignition, common rail injection) diesel engines are now not just as powerful as equivalent petrol engines, but are comparable to larger displacement petrol engines, even ones as well set up as that in the 545i
In the UK the decision between these 2 cars is largely going to be made on purchase cost and the amount and type of mileage the owner intends to cover.
Unlesss you are going to track it, there is not a massive performance difference. Both are going to feel nice and quick on UK roads.
If you just want super quick performance then neither car is right. The e60 is high speed cruiser that can go round bends really quickly - not a sports car.
03-28-2006, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='261178' date='Mar 28 2006, 12:23 PM
I doubt you saw a 545i vs 535D on Top gear, as the 545i is not available in the UK & never has been so why would a UK TV show test the car.
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='261274' date='Mar 28 2006, 04:00 PM
OK (for clarity) we are comparing a 3 litre bi-turbo diesel (one big one small) with a 4.5 litre V8.
Are you saying that that makes this an unfair comparison? Should we be comparing a 535d to a mitsubushi GTO or a supra - that doesn't seem right to me.
Diesel engines need turbo charging to compete - no question about that. But with petrol you have (at least) 3 significant options - natural aspiration / supercharging and turbo-chargin). A 3 litre na engine doesn't have to be slower than a 3 litre turbo charged engine - it's not that simple.
My point was, that with the new technologies (bi-turbos, aluminium cylinder blocks, piezzo electric ignition, common rail injection) diesel engines are now not just as powerful as equivalent petrol engines, but are comparable to larger displacement petrol engines, even ones as well set up as that in the 545i
In the UK the decision between these 2 cars is largely going to be made on purchase cost and the amount and type of mileage the owner intends to cover.
Unlesss you are going to track it, there is not a massive performance difference. Both are going to feel nice and quick on UK roads.
If you just want super quick performance then neither car is right. The e60 is high speed cruiser that can go round bends really quickly - not a sports car.
Are you saying that that makes this an unfair comparison? Should we be comparing a 535d to a mitsubushi GTO or a supra - that doesn't seem right to me.
Diesel engines need turbo charging to compete - no question about that. But with petrol you have (at least) 3 significant options - natural aspiration / supercharging and turbo-chargin). A 3 litre na engine doesn't have to be slower than a 3 litre turbo charged engine - it's not that simple.
My point was, that with the new technologies (bi-turbos, aluminium cylinder blocks, piezzo electric ignition, common rail injection) diesel engines are now not just as powerful as equivalent petrol engines, but are comparable to larger displacement petrol engines, even ones as well set up as that in the 545i
In the UK the decision between these 2 cars is largely going to be made on purchase cost and the amount and type of mileage the owner intends to cover.
Unlesss you are going to track it, there is not a massive performance difference. Both are going to feel nice and quick on UK roads.
If you just want super quick performance then neither car is right. The e60 is high speed cruiser that can go round bends really quickly - not a sports car.
03-28-2006, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='261276' date='Mar 28 2006, 08:04 AM
W8pmc - this is what you said, which I think has led to some confusion. What has been established is that the 545i was sold in the UK, but (as elsewhere) it has been replaced by the 550i.
