Iceman

I have read your posts properly, but you haven't read mine properly. Not everything I said was a quote of you, some things were general. Anyways, I think I should now stop replying before it ends up in a "foglight" discussion...because I am sick of this Diesel discussion in GENERAL.

swajames

Maybe you're not taking the time to read my posts properly, or you would have seen:
...where I made it clear I thought that was a fair comaprison. Even remapped, the 535d costs nowhere near a 545i. So if anything, you have the advantage. Ok, so you gain 45Nm, the diesel gains 126Nm.

Yes, as I said:
If you take the time to read my responses properly, nowhere have I said as you suggest:
In fact, I think I point out quite clearly I don't know which would be faster - and that's my whole point - you've been certain from the start that a 545i is quicker that a 535d in every possible way ("Well, I will leave you behind! In ANY situation!") and all I'm saying is that I've yet to see the proof of that. So yes, as per my post above, this is a test I would like to do. And I don't see for a moment how your driving prowess would have any effect on straight line acceleration. And if it did, we'd be no longer comparing cars, but drivers.

So - yes, bring it on - not because I think I know that a 535d is faster than a 545i, but because I don't know and I think we'd all love to see how they compare.
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Even as a happy 545 driver I will definitely want to try the 535d if BMW does get them over to the US. I've seen nothing but good feedback on the twin turbo diesel. One important thing though is that over in the UK, fuel prices and resale values do make the 535d a very compelling proposition and I get the sense that in terms of bang for the buck (price/performance) the 535d may very well be the sweet spot in the European line up. Over here, larger gas engines don't really suffer as much in terms of 2 to 3 year on residuals (I know in the UK they do) and even though gas is expensive right now by US standards I would guess that few E60 (and 545 in particular) owners are quite as focused on running costs. if we had $100 fill ups I'm pretty sure that would be different. Let's just celebrate what outstanding cars both the 545 and 535 are and be happy that we are lucky enough to drive either of them!

clived

Ok ok, you never said I said the "diesels are faster" thing, but everything was a quote ;-)

It's a shame you're sick of the discussion in general as I think there are some really interesting unanswered questions here. Of course, in a sense it is a little pointless as we can't discuss to find out how the two cars perform

If anyone in the UK is less sick of it, and is genuinely interested to see in which areas each car excels, and isn't too far from Northamptonshire, let me know and we'll do some testing at the pod :-)

Clive

skaffa

Boys this it futail! At least in my mind.

But tomorrow I go to look M5 AND M6 in BMW road show. Unfortunately have to use own DIESEL BMW at the track. Sorry no tasties from emmys.

But I will have fun at the track anyway.

Skaffa

Gadgets

Those are maybe the 530 specs and NOT the 545i .... The 545i goes to 100 in 5.6 S AND LESS...

Pure BS.

And guys - get over it, No 535D can keep up with the 545i from 0-250 KM/H period. Numbers don't lie.

Gadgets

Only for you... that are being lazy (or scared..) to look up some real numbers..

Only for you... in KM/H



535D - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/roadtest...11179/spec.html

545i - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/roadtest...11181/spec.html

swajames

What's more, BMW seems to be conservative on its performance numbers - the quoted time for the 545 is 5.8 to 5.9, and as highlighted in earlier posts an AUTO 545 just tested at 5.2 in the latest Road and Track. Of course I fully expect the 535 to test at better than the official 6.5 - but it won't get anywhere close to the 5.4 to 5.5 that the 545 routinely tests at in the US mags..

ipp

Ok, this discussion is rather silly... Of money wouldn't matter I would go for the 545i. In the case 530i/530d i did choose the 'd'. The engine perfectly suits a auto tranny wagon, better mpg and more power but the same price. Actually the diesel version is a little more expensive.

In the case 535d vs 545i there is another aspect. BMW doesn't want the 535d to be as fast as the much more expensive 545i. Then the 545i customer would get mad. (Like we've seen here...). It's not impossible that the 535d is faster than the factrory figures states. And 545 0-60 in 5.2s... dream on! Faster than the 60hp stronger E39 M5??

Iceman

No.
You haven't seen that!
What you have seen is 535d drivers going crazy, because they want to find ANYTHING what makes their d better and faster, but in fact it's not.

I don't care if there are faster cars out there. There are!
But I can't stand it when somebody is coming up with that stuff, looking for anything that validates his purchase.

ipp

No.
You haven't seen that!
What you have seen is 535d drivers going crazy, because they want to find ANYTHING what makes their d better and faster, but in fact it's not.

I don't care if there are faster cars out there. There are!
But I can't stand it when somebody is coming up with that stuff, looking for anything that validates his purchase.
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I agree with you completly! And I've not seen it from you..

Don't get me wrong here, I would kill for a 545i (hope anyone here didn't... =) But a limosine.

A wagon is allways a wagon, then the 530d is enough. Or maybe perfect.