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Old 03-25-2010 | 11:28 AM
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I'll take that as a big bingo! U can't X out drug dealing and unacounted for pornography being as they are billion dollar industries individually
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I am curious about who these non-tax payers are. Are they just people of voting age who don't pay taxes, such as college students? Or are they workers of such low income they fall below the income requirements for paying taxes? I say this because it seems that the states highest on the list are also the ones that have the highest % of people living below the poverty level. My apologies for taking your response the wrong way, you're right, let's keep it civil.
Who Are the Non-Payers?
Using IRS data, we are able to create a profile of these individuals who are outside the federal income tax system. As Table 1 shows, those who file as single or head-of-household are much more likely to be non-payers. One-third of single filers pay nothing in federal income taxes, and almost two-thirds of those who file as head of household pay nothing. In contrast, just 22 percent of married filers are non-payers.


Why do many single filers face zero tax liability? One reason is that single filers tend to be younger and earn lower incomes than married filers?especially single parents who file as head-of-household. As a result, married taxpayers pay roughly 75 percent of all federal income taxes, despite filing only 40 percent of returns.


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Good question! I'm sure most have low enough incomes that they simply fall below the income requirement for paying taxes.

And a big +1 on the farm subsidies!!

Well, I brought up the farm subsidies because it seems like a huge waste. There was a story locally about a vineyard owner who gets over $1mil in subsidies every year NOT to grow things. The guy owns a vineyard, and he wasn't getting paid not to grow grapes - so why is he getting anything?!?!?!
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Can we quote the lnks in this thread to keep it xtra simple? Or sum them up? No relative aggression?
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I have to say Phil, the notion that a large # of non-payers makes tax reform difficult is hard to swallow. Why not a Flat Tax, say 15-20%. Everyone pays, no one exempt, could the country make ends meet? I think so.
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Well, I brought up the farm subsidies because it seems like a huge waste. There was a story locally about a vineyard owner who gets over $1mil in subsidies every year NOT to grow things. The guy owns a vineyard, and he wasn't getting paid not to grow grapes - so why is he getting anything?!?!?!
That is incredible considering wine is not sustinence?!?!
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Speaking of constructive ideas, what did you think of this one?
https://5series.net/forums/topic/959...st__p__1137710
Which idea, the 100% coverage for diabetes care or the medical savings acct?

As for the 100% coverage, sounds good in principal and believe me, I FULLY understand how paying the small dollars up front for proper management of a condition like diabetes saves big dollars down the line but the same could be said for many other chronic conditions. In an ideal world, yes, paying all my childs medical bills would be wonderful but I also realize that it is unrealistic. We all make our way and sometimes, it's expensive...

As for the medical savings account, I don't think I qualify as the expense has to be something like 10% of your gross income. But I'll do more research!
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Which idea, the 100% coverage for diabetes care or the medical savings acct?

As for the 100% coverage, sounds good in principal and believe me, I FULLY understand how paying the small dollars up front for proper management of a condition like diabetes saves big dollars down the line but the same could be said for many other chronic conditions. In an ideal world, yes, paying all my childs medical bills would be wonderful but I also realize that it is unrealistic. We all make our way and sometimes, it's expensive...

As for the medical savings account, I don't think I qualify as the expense has to be something like 10% of your gross income. But I'll do more research!

Well then how about we tax junk food (the stuff that contributes to diabetes) like we tax cigarettes? Cigs are taxed (SoCal local) around 185% so why not the same for Tace bell, McD's, and the other non healthy foods? It would cut down on obesity and diabetes some and (as we saw with smokers) get some to lead a healthier lifestyle.

It would also be a GREAT way to finance the care your son and people like him need. I have a coworker whose father is in the hospital now with a leg infection related to diabetes.
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Originally Posted by pjinca
Well then how about we tax junk food (the stuff that contributes to diabetes) like we tax cigarettes? Cigs are taxed (SoCal local) around 185% so why not the same for Tace bell, McD's, and the other non healthy foods? It would cut down on obesity and diabetes some and (as we saw with smokers) get some to lead a healthier lifestyle.

It would also be a GREAT way to finance the care your son and people like him need. I have a coworker whose father is in the hospital now with a leg infection related to diabetes.
Sure, you can drive that gas guzzling $100,000 car, we are just going to tax the hell out of you. Same context, different scale. Think about that.

Why should ANYONE be allowed to tax unhealthy foods, if people want to eat that sh*t, let them. But now that we will receive UH (I don't feel like writing Universal Healthcare every other sentence) that poses a problem, so we "have" to tax bad foods.
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Originally Posted by pjinca
I have to say Phil, the notion that a large # of non-payers makes tax reform difficult is hard to swallow. Why not a Flat Tax, say 15-20%. Everyone pays, no one exempt, could the country make ends meet? I think so.
I could go for that, but what do you do about state income tax?

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Which idea, the 100% coverage for diabetes care or the medical savings acct?

As for the 100% coverage, sounds good in principal and believe me, I FULLY understand how paying the small dollars up front for proper management of a condition like diabetes saves big dollars down the line but the same could be said for many other chronic conditions. In an ideal world, yes, paying all my childs medical bills would be wonderful but I also realize that it is unrealistic. We all make our way and sometimes, it's expensive...

As for the medical savings account, I don't think I qualify as the expense has to be something like 10% of your gross income. But I'll do more research!
Both. Poorly or untreated diabetes is unlike any other chronic illness, it leads to blindness, vascular disease, heart disease, high blood pressure, strokes, kidney failure etc......all very expensive to treat once you are afflicted, so fully covering the basic drugs & equipment like insulin, glucometer, test strips & quarterly hg A1c test seems fiscally wise to me.

The current health spending account rules are useless what I'm proposing would look more like a Roth IRA.


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