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Old 07-29-2010, 12:12 AM
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Um. I'd rather see the interior picks. That said i'd keep it in my garage with only mild resistance. Now where is me pint?

Btw. Isn't the arse the best part?
Haha, in this color I'd say so. Actually, AW in my opinion is the best color for this car as it doesn't look as staid as it does in the darker colors. It looks quite good from all angles!
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Please look at the technical data comparison below between the E60 and the E39 and you will understand were Diamond is coming from. These are taken from bmwheaven.com.

As you can see, the E60 had bigger dimensions than the E39 LCI, less weight, better coefficient of drag, better top speed due to the better coefficient of drag, and also better fuel economy.

BMW 520i E39 (2000 - 2003)

Brand BMW
Type 520i
Code E39
Series 5
Facelift / Lifecycle impulse yes
Built 2000 - 2003
Body[edit]
Length 4775 mm
Width 1800 mm
Height 1435 mm
Weight 1570 kg
Body type Sedan
Power unit(s)[edit]
Engine brand BMW
Type M54
6 cylinder inline DOHC 24v double VANOS petrol engine
Code M54 B22
Cylinders 6
Valves 24
Arrangement inline 6
Displacement 2171 cm3
Fuel type petrol
Power 125 kW / 170 HP
at 6100 rpm
Torque 210 Nm
at 3500 rpm
Performance[edit]
Topspeed 226 km/h
Acceleration 9.1 s (0-100 km/h)
Elasticity 9.4 s (80-120 km/h in 4th gear)
Fuel Consumption[edit]
Urban 12.2 l/100km
Extra-urban 7.1 l/100km
Combined 9.0 l/100km

BMW E60 520i(2003 - 2005)

Brand BMW
Type 520i
Code E60
Series 5
Built 2003 - 2005
Body[edit]
Length 4841 mm
Width 1846 mm
Height 1468 mm
Weight 1560 kg
Body type Sedan
Power unit(s)[edit]
Engine brand BMW
Type M54
6 cylinder inline DOHC 24v double VANOS petrol engine
Code M54 B22
Cylinders 6
Valves 24
Arrangement inline 6
Displacement 2171 cm3
Fuel type petrol
Power 125 kW / 170 HP
at 6100 rpm
Torque 210 Nm
at 3500 rpm
Performance[edit]
Topspeed 230 km/h
Acceleration 9.0 s (0-100 km/h)
Elasticity 9.4 s (80-120 km/h in 4th gear)
Fuel Consumption[edit]
Urban 13.0 l/100km
Extra-urban 6.8 l/100km
Combined 9.0 l/100km


I have used the 520i in my comparison since the same exact engine (M54) was shared in both the E60 and the E39 LCI. The same applies to the 525i and 530i. The E60 was also more luxurious than the E39, had a better material grades on the inside, was even more comfy, achieved better track times on Hockenheim short and Autozeitung test track but had controversial desgin inside out. The main criticisms wre targeted towards the design and the shape of the car from the outside and inside, but at the time, no magazines blamed it for being less nimble, or having less steering feedback (except for the Active Steering which was criticised by some editors), or having lower straight line and track performance (compare the E60 535i to the F10 535i). The E60 offered ARS over the E39, the F10 just offered the Dynamic Damping Control.

On the other hand, the F10 provides a more luxurious ride and a more confortable suspension than the E60. In terms of looks, these are subjective, so I won't comment here. But for a car to grow 1.7% in volume (W*H*L) and 10% in weight, that is a little bit on the bad side dynamically.

When comparing the F10 to the E60, you will see that the car is heavier, the performance is worse in terms of lap times, and even the coefficient of drag is higher.

To make a long story short, I believe that objectively (i.e. technical data and numbers) the E60 is a superior car. The F10 subjectively (ride comfort, luxury, options) is a better car, so no need to argue .
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I cannot front, thats a great looking car and i'm sure it will grow on 5series aficionados much like the E60 did coming from the E39 in due time.
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Originally Posted by Shebs
Pete550i

Please look at the technical data comparison below between the E60 and the E39 and you will understand were Diamond is coming from. These are taken from bmwheaven.com.

As you can see, the E60 had bigger dimensions than the E39 LCI, less weight, better coefficient of drag, better top speed due to the better coefficient of drag, and also better fuel economy.

BMW 520i E39 (2000 - 2003)

Brand BMW
Type 520i
Code E39
Series 5
Facelift / Lifecycle impulse yes
Built 2000 - 2003
Body[edit]
Length 4775 mm
Width 1800 mm
Height 1435 mm
Weight 1570 kg
Body type Sedan
Power unit(s)[edit]
Engine brand BMW
Type M54
6 cylinder inline DOHC 24v double VANOS petrol engine
Code M54 B22
Cylinders 6
Valves 24
Arrangement inline 6
Displacement 2171 cm3
Fuel type petrol
Power 125 kW / 170 HP
at 6100 rpm
Torque 210 Nm
at 3500 rpm
Performance[edit]
Topspeed 226 km/h
Acceleration 9.1 s (0-100 km/h)
Elasticity 9.4 s (80-120 km/h in 4th gear)
Fuel Consumption[edit]
Urban 12.2 l/100km
Extra-urban 7.1 l/100km
Combined 9.0 l/100km

BMW E60 520i(2003 - 2005)

Brand BMW
Type 520i
Code E60
Series 5
Built 2003 - 2005
Body[edit]
Length 4841 mm
Width 1846 mm
Height 1468 mm
Weight 1560 kg
Body type Sedan
Power unit(s)[edit]
Engine brand BMW
Type M54
6 cylinder inline DOHC 24v double VANOS petrol engine
Code M54 B22
Cylinders 6
Valves 24
Arrangement inline 6
Displacement 2171 cm3
Fuel type petrol
Power 125 kW / 170 HP
at 6100 rpm
Torque 210 Nm
at 3500 rpm
Performance[edit]
Topspeed 230 km/h
Acceleration 9.0 s (0-100 km/h)
Elasticity 9.4 s (80-120 km/h in 4th gear)
Fuel Consumption[edit]
Urban 13.0 l/100km
Extra-urban 6.8 l/100km
Combined 9.0 l/100km


I have used the 520i in my comparison since the same exact engine (M54) was shared in both the E60 and the E39 LCI. The same applies to the 525i and 530i. The E60 was also more luxurious than the E39, had a better material grades on the inside, was even more comfy, achieved better track times on Hockenheim short and Autozeitung test track but had controversial desgin inside out. The main criticisms wre targeted towards the design and the shape of the car from the outside and inside, but at the time, no magazines blamed it for being less nimble, or having less steering feedback (except for the Active Steering which was criticised by some editors), or having lower straight line and track performance (compare the E60 535i to the F10 535i). The E60 offered ARS over the E39, the F10 just offered the Dynamic Damping Control.

On the other hand, the F10 provides a more luxurious ride and a more confortable suspension than the E60. In terms of looks, these are subjective, so I won't comment here. But for a car to grow 1.7% in volume (W*H*L) and 10% in weight, that is a little bit on the bad side dynamically.

When comparing the F10 to the E60, you will see that the car is heavier, the performance is worse in terms of lap times, and even the coefficient of drag is higher.

To make a long story short, I believe that objectively (i.e. technical data and numbers) the E60 is a superior car. The F10 subjectively (ride comfort, luxury, options) is a better car, so no need to argue .

Well if you're talking about F10 520 vs. E60 528/530, then the F10 is at a disadvantage due to the extra weight and lesser engine output. But the lap times of the F10 535 and E60 535i, as seen in an earlier thread, are roughly similar despite the extra weight in the F10. Now I'd be willing to bet that the F10 550i will pull ahead performance-wise from the E60 550i, but we won't know for sure until actual test results come out. However, I can tell you that from my own experience so far in my 550i, it is the fastest and most capable 5 series I've ever driven outside of a M5. This is why I tell people who want to get a F10 to get the 550i if possible because you get the best of both worlds--sport and luxury.


By the way, I love your avatar! I alway wanted to go to Cairo and see the pyramids just once in my lifetime. I love ancient history, especially Egyptian history. I love that new show, Chasing Mummies, on the History Channel!....It's the Best! Have you ever met Dr. Hawwas, the famous Egyptian archeologist?
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Originally Posted by Shebs
Pete550i

Please look at the technical data comparison below between the E60 and the E39 and you will understand were Diamond is coming from. These are taken from bmwheaven.com.

As you can see, the E60 had bigger dimensions than the E39 LCI, less weight, better coefficient of drag, better top speed due to the better coefficient of drag, and also better fuel economy.

BMW 520i E39 (2000 - 2003)

Brand BMW
Type 520i
Code E39
Series 5
Facelift / Lifecycle impulse yes
Built 2000 - 2003
Body[edit]
Length 4775 mm
Width 1800 mm
Height 1435 mm
Weight 1570 kg
Body type Sedan
Power unit(s)[edit]
Engine brand BMW
Type M54
6 cylinder inline DOHC 24v double VANOS petrol engine
Code M54 B22
Cylinders 6
Valves 24
Arrangement inline 6
Displacement 2171 cm3
Fuel type petrol
Power 125 kW / 170 HP
at 6100 rpm
Torque 210 Nm
at 3500 rpm
Performance[edit]
Topspeed 226 km/h
Acceleration 9.1 s (0-100 km/h)
Elasticity 9.4 s (80-120 km/h in 4th gear)
Fuel Consumption[edit]
Urban 12.2 l/100km
Extra-urban 7.1 l/100km
Combined 9.0 l/100km

BMW E60 520i(2003 - 2005)

Brand BMW
Type 520i
Code E60
Series 5
Built 2003 - 2005
Body[edit]
Length 4841 mm
Width 1846 mm
Height 1468 mm
Weight 1560 kg
Body type Sedan
Power unit(s)[edit]
Engine brand BMW
Type M54
6 cylinder inline DOHC 24v double VANOS petrol engine
Code M54 B22
Cylinders 6
Valves 24
Arrangement inline 6
Displacement 2171 cm3
Fuel type petrol
Power 125 kW / 170 HP
at 6100 rpm
Torque 210 Nm
at 3500 rpm
Performance[edit]
Topspeed 230 km/h
Acceleration 9.0 s (0-100 km/h)
Elasticity 9.4 s (80-120 km/h in 4th gear)
Fuel Consumption[edit]
Urban 13.0 l/100km
Extra-urban 6.8 l/100km
Combined 9.0 l/100km


I have used the 520i in my comparison since the same exact engine (M54) was shared in both the E60 and the E39 LCI. The same applies to the 525i and 530i. The E60 was also more luxurious than the E39, had a better material grades on the inside, was even more comfy, achieved better track times on Hockenheim short and Autozeitung test track but had controversial desgin inside out. The main criticisms wre targeted towards the design and the shape of the car from the outside and inside, but at the time, no magazines blamed it for being less nimble, or having less steering feedback (except for the Active Steering which was criticised by some editors), or having lower straight line and track performance (compare the E60 535i to the F10 535i). The E60 offered ARS over the E39, the F10 just offered the Dynamic Damping Control.

On the other hand, the F10 provides a more luxurious ride and a more confortable suspension than the E60. In terms of looks, these are subjective, so I won't comment here. But for a car to grow 1.7% in volume (W*H*L) and 10% in weight, that is a little bit on the bad side dynamically.

When comparing the F10 to the E60, you will see that the car is heavier, the performance is worse in terms of lap times, and even the coefficient of drag is higher.

To make a long story short, I believe that objectively (i.e. technical data and numbers) the E60 is a superior car. The F10 subjectively (ride comfort, luxury, options) is a better car, so no need to argue .

great comparison
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Originally Posted by Petes550i
Well if you're talking about F10 520 vs. E60 528/530, then the F10 is at a disadvantage due to the extra weight and lesser engine output.
He is comparing the the F10 529 to the E60 520, not a 528/530. The E60 520 was sold in Europe and Asia, never made it to the states. Point being is he is comparing the two vehicles with exactly the same engines...
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This isn't just opinions between the E60 and F10. I've had four five series spanning from 1997 (New body style which I embraced immediately), 2002, 2004 (New body style which I embraced immediately)and a 2008. This is not the same as when the E60 came out and the magazines were panning its design, now the customers are panning the design too. The car magazines still dont like it but thats less of a concern for me.
I'm not just bitching as I voted with my wallet and bought something else. Brother Kerry also got something else. I'm sure there are others here. I have not written BMW off; I'm still here on this forum and I just renewed my BMWCCA membership- just right now I don't have a five series.
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Originally Posted by kscarrol
He is comparing the the F10 529 to the E60 520, not a 528/530. The E60 520 was sold in Europe and Asia, never made it to the states. Point being is he is comparing the two vehicles with exactly the same engines...

Sorry, I always get the European models mixed-up.
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Originally Posted by Petes550i
Now I'd be willing to bet that the F10 550i will pull ahead performance-wise from the E60 550i, but we won't know for sure until actual test results come out. However, I can tell you that from my own experience so far in my 550i, it is the fastest and most capable 5 series I've ever driven outside of a M5. This is why I tell people who want to get a F10 to get the 550i if possible because you get the best of both worlds--sport and luxury.
I just spent about 4 months determining what my next car would be, bought it yesterday and it was the F10 550i.

Decision was based on driving the cars. The F10 is larger and heavier, and if I was restricted to choosing a 535i or some other make, I would probably go with something other than the 535i. Point being, take the time to actually drive the F10 550i. It feels different, it is different.... imo at least with the larger engine this is one they got right, dead on right.
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Originally Posted by tadtaggert
I just spent about 4 months determining what my next car would be, bought it yesterday and it was the F10 550i.

Decision was based on driving the cars. The F10 is larger and heavier, and if I was restricted to choosing a 535i or some other make, I would probably go with something other than the 535i. Point being, take the time to actually drive the F10 550i. It feels different, it is different.... imo at least with the larger engine this is one they got right, dead on right.
It is a great car, enjoy! And you can't just jump into the discussion like this without PICTURES!!!


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