Kzang

All US speced 5er are from Germany, 3 series are built in many different places including Germany also in Africa, Not sure if they still are or not.
X3, X5, Z4 are from South Carolina.

uheenada

I am sorry but it seems that you didn't read my reply with much attention. I never said bmw is about numbers. I clearly indicated winner is not about the numbers.
And also I said bmw is about a class that other makers are missing. I guess you liked "heritage" word better.
And I am not trying to give you a hard time but it seems that you are a bmw enthusiast, I am a car enthusiast. I appreciate all other makers.
Prasing other cars don't neccessarily make me a non enthusiast.
If I were not an enthusiast, I wouldn't buy a smg tranny, summer tires, dinan mods, kw v2 sitting in my garage waiting for installation etc and watch
F1 Friday's practice, Sat qulifying and Sunday's race.

It seems like you are just poped out from the C&D magazine. So much biased toward bmw. Whole package? What whole packge is packed under a
$37,000 stripped 328i? ONLY thing 328i is better than g37 is fuel economy. I am sorry but there's no whole package in $37k 328i to me.
335i has a package that other makers don't have and I'll take 335i over g37 but not with 328i.
To me, buying a 37k 328i is people just want to buy a bmw.
I guess you would trade anything for a bmw "feel" but I am not. You gotta ADMIT that 328i is inferior to other competitors. People have
preferential to a certain brand and I am not arguing that, it's just make me sick that just because of bmw heritage is in 328i, it makes
automatic winner. With your logic, why there's a such review comparing each model(and i would love to ask to C&D) if they are gonna
throw away the comparison results and pick the winner by bmw heritage? Aren't they include subjective rating already in the comparison like
apprearance, how they feel, etc? They should've picked G37 as a winner but say somthing like they prefer the feel of bmw and how 328i connects driver and the road.
Then, we can agree and understand that G37 is a better machine but a 328i has a better feel of the road which is true.

All I am saying is that when you compare something, you can't throw out the comparison results to give what you prefer a winner.
In this case, the bmw heritage and feel of the road can't crawl back all the deficits 328i has over G37 and other models.
And that's my answer to OP. BMW don't neccessarily outhandle every competitor.
I hope you understand my point.

Richard in NC

I have the C&D with the 328i vs G37 comparison. I don't know why they picked a stripped BMW to compete but here are the specs:

Car: 328i G37 Acura TL
Price: $36k $40k $44k
CW 3352 3682 3975
Litre 3.0 3.7 3.7
HP 230 328 305
0-60 5.9 5.4 6.5
rolling 6.4 6.3 6.9
mpg 28 25 25
max DB 75 82 77
Gs .92 .92 .92
In short the 328i was $4k less than the G37 and $8k less than the TL. Add the premium pkg and its still less.
The 328i has a .7 litre 100hp disadvantage and its only .1 slower to 60 in a rolling start!!! Plus its faster than the TL.
The max DBs speak to refinement. The G37 is loud and obnoxious when pushed hard whereas the BMW inline 6 is always smooth and free reving. The other cars may have matched the BMW handling "numbers" but good handling is more about balance, feel, and precision.

IMHO, the BMW magic is about the combined precision feel of the suspension, brakes, & steering, with the added refinement of smooth broad power. This applies to a 328i all the way up to the 760Li. I've driven plenty of "nice" cars. None had the all around feelof the BMW.

v_therussian

Although I agree with you on most points you made, I have to say that I'd MUCH rather drive a G37 Coupe over ANY 40 year old car - including BMW 2002... and I don't think that this excludes me out of the ranks of enthusiasts either. But everything else, you're spot on

E60714

I wouldn't take a 2002 over a G37. I may take a 328 over a G37 though, since I didn't know it did 0-60 in under 6. Nah, I realized I would be doing it just to drive a BMW. I appreciate all makes and models, and I would rather pay a bit more for a 370. How about those Nismo or Fairlady Z's they had for the 350s? I would take those too.

ponnu

From the video I can see is the speed of the Porsche is much higher than R8...

ponnu

Can some one post the same question in MB and Audi forum and publish the response here?

swajames

Exactly. More to the point, that exact GIF is contained in many member's signatures on Porsche forums, for the polar opposite reason that DD_545 was implying... One driver is clearly having more fun than the other, and it's not the guy in the R8. Also, as you say, the 997 is traveling much quicker. For what it's worth, the 997 S (both the 997.1 and 997.2) is actually quicker round the 'Ring than the R8... That said, I'd certainly be more than happy to trade my 997S for an R8 - it's a phenomenal car.

uheenada

I beg to differ. G37 coupe purposely made the engine note and exhaust to be loud. I guess you never driven G37 before.
If you have driven one, you won't comment the G37 engine and exhaust sound obnoxious.

The inside cabin decibel level doesn't decide how refinement a car is. It's a matter of how a manufacturer go after sports or luxury.
G37 coupe has louder(and sweeter) exhaust note than G37 sedan. Why? Infiniti want the drivers to feel more sporty in a coupe.
By your logic, every porsche model is less refine than 328i. And MB and Lexus will be always more refine than bmw and porsche.
But you know better that it's not right.

swajames

I have to agree. The G37 exhaust note isn't obnoxious.