Yes a CHL is more extensive as well. This was more to the feller who thought you can get in this country (non US citizen) walk into a gun store and buy one.
Its nice to have a CHL

 

[quote name='dflan' date='Jun 2 2008, 10:52 PM' post='593854']
Steve, I would ask that check your facts. The fact is gun crimes have almost doubled 1997 when the UK ban on firearms when into effect. Check out this URL:
http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/guns_e...omo_code=38F3-1
this says NOTHING about the underlying causes. Explain to me in simple english how making guns less available directly results in increased gun related crime. Do you have ANY common sense?

Great Britain is not alone. Australia put into effect a gun ban in 1996 with similar results:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html
Yeah this guy is a real objective source for your data: (www.geoffmetcalf.com/bio.html): Geoff Metcalf calls himself an a typical conservative. His American roots go deep his ancestors settled in New England in the 1600s, and he is a ninth generation commissioned officer in the U.S. Armed Services and a former Green Beret. He is a retired USAR LTC and has commanded a Special Forces Operational Detachment, and a Military Police Company in addition to various staff positions. Metcalf brings his passionate connection to hundreds of years of American evolution to his own revolutionary radio program.

Thomas Jefferson said Said it best:
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
give me a freakin break - this is the 21'st century ! Just like "the good book" - what was appropriate as law 100, 200, 300, 1000 years ago is mostly irrelevant in today's world

Also on your point about not having a gun culture enshrined in law - you did. The US 2nd Amendment had its source in British Common Law.

so what ?? does this justify anything ? Good golly, I'm a believer now !!

Also, it is important to note the following facts:
1. US Jurisdictions with the strongest gun control laws inevitable have higher rates of violent crimes. It seems criminals prefer unarmed victims.
and these criminal use their bare hands of course

2. At least 3 times more crimes are thwarted by armed law-abiding citizens that by the police. Further Firearms are used by civilians to stop or deter crimes far more than they are used by criminals to commit crimes.

So you are advocating that civilians take law and order into their own hands - untrained people with dangerous weapons. How about advocating a more effective police force or tackling the problem at the roots - not just the symptoms. Your last statement is just plain ridiculous.

3. Texas and 27 other stats have shall-issue concealed carry laws and have all seen a significant drop in the rate of homicides, robberies, and assaults.
- hmm...... but what was and now is the actual current level of homicide etc vs non gun states and exactly how are these remaining homicides commited? Oh yes, people now carry concealed carrots.

Don't believe everything you see on TV. I can provide citations and sources for any of the above if you are interested.
oh yes.....please share them....your sources are sooooooo unbiased

 

[quote name='dflan' date='Jun 2 2008, 10:52 PM' post='593854']
Steve, I would ask that check your facts. The fact is gun crimes have almost doubled 1997 when the UK ban on firearms when into effect. Check out this URL:
http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/guns_e...omo_code=38F3-1
this says NOTHING about the underlying causes. Explain to me in simple english how making guns less available directly results in increased gun related crime. Do you have ANY common sense?

Great Britain is not alone. Australia put into effect a gun ban in 1996 with similar results:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html
Yeah this guy is a real objective source for your data: (www.geoffmetcalf.com/bio.html): Geoff Metcalf calls himself an a typical conservative. His American roots go deep his ancestors settled in New England in the 1600s, and he is a ninth generation commissioned officer in the U.S. Armed Services and a former Green Beret. He is a retired USAR LTC and has commanded a Special Forces Operational Detachment, and a Military Police Company in addition to various staff positions. Metcalf brings his passionate connection to hundreds of years of American evolution to his own revolutionary radio program.

Thomas Jefferson said Said it best:
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
give me a freakin break - this is the 21'st century ! Just like "the good book" - what was appropriate as law 100, 200, 300, 1000 years ago is mostly irrelevant in today's world

Also on your point about not having a gun culture enshrined in law - you did. The US 2nd Amendment had its source in British Common Law.

so what ?? does this justify anything ? Good golly, I'm a believer now !!

Also, it is important to note the following facts:
1. US Jurisdictions with the strongest gun control laws inevitable have higher rates of violent crimes. It seems criminals prefer unarmed victims.
and these criminal use their bare hands of course

2. At least 3 times more crimes are thwarted by armed law-abiding citizens that by the police. Further Firearms are used by civilians to stop or deter crimes far more than they are used by criminals to commit crimes.

So you are advocating that civilians take law and order into their own hands - untrained people with dangerous weapons. How about advocating a more effective police force or tackling the problem at the roots - not just the symptoms. Your last statement is just plain ridiculous.

3. Texas and 27 other stats have shall-issue concealed carry laws and have all seen a significant drop in the rate of homicides, robberies, and assaults.
- hmm...... but what was and now is the actual current level of homicide etc vs non gun states and exactly how are these remaining homicides commited? Oh yes, people now carry concealed carrots.

Don't believe everything you see on TV. I can provide citations and sources for any of the above if you are interested.
oh yes.....please share them....your sources are sooooooo unbiased

 

of course car accident stats are the result of delibarate criminal acts......"Er yes officer, I saw him do it. He lined up his car with that laser sight (you can see whats left just next to his front left head light) and he floored it. Those poor people never had a chance."

 

GUYS!

This issue is as polarized as the abortion topic and I personally can't see how anything will be solved on this forum or for anyone to sway anyone else's opinion on this matter. Agree to disagree or if you feel so strongly about it, go join one of the anti or pro gun coalitions and see if you can effect change. I can see how passionate feelings are going to pour out on this topic and frustrations are going to skyrocket and you'll end up hating each other although you haven't even met. Instead, how about getting back to our common ground, E60s , and argue on something more poignant like whether to mod them or leave them stock.

GRAND POOBAH out....

 

Wise words as always, Tony

it is interesting to get into stuff like this from time to time, but you're spot on. Let's get back to regularly scheduled business.

 

+1

 

Unreal how many people are packin toasters out there. There's really no good place to keep it in the E60 IMHO. I keep it on me like I do a cell phone.
Glock 23 for the carry weapon. Sig and Kimber rotate though.

What a great forum haha.

 

I think we (I) concluded the storage compartment in rear arm rest is the best, safest & most unlikely place someone would look if they busted into your car, while still remaining accessible with the armrest down. Mine is now in there, and I feel much better compared to when it was in my glovebox. I even leave my camera in there now, also.

 

Good to know.