hmm...I think I see your point. The right to use a gun on someone in the US is comparable to exercising your right to use a lighter to light a cigarette or a baseball to hit a ball or using a car to get somewhere, irrelavant how many lives each in it's own right costs. I respect it, nothing wrong with exercising your rights if they are provided in that form.

Btw, the right to exercise a gun was given way before cars or baseballs existed in the US...


To me this analogy is simply due to national/popular culture - nowhere else in the (democratic) world does this apply and therefore slightly hard to compehend comparisons with innocent people dying in car accidents or the other comparisons made in the other posts above - completely unconnected in my view, sorry. Again, to you it makes sense, guns are embedded in your culture and have the same right of use as a car, lighter and baseball - to somebody lacking this national (gun) culture, difficult - that's all.

The point I CAN accept and respect as a person is that simply you have the right to carry firearms for selfdefense (and some fun) to protect against criminals who also use them (to cause harm).

Now, back to the OP topic, where else to conceal guns in the E60..

 

Thanks for reminding me. Now done.

PS - I didn't in any way intend to flame anyone. Please don't shoot me.

 

I think the Ben Franklin quote you have in your sig line pretty much sums it all up. It's interesting that you can be so far in favor of taking away people's rights to own and carry firearms, but then endorse Franklin's belief that trading liberty for safety is a fallacy that will not result in the intended consequence. That's one of my favorite quotes.

 

I "had" a CHL license in Texas and in New Mexico, however I moved to California and could not get a CHL license.
So therefore, due to me being a law abiding citizen, I did not carry the firearm on me or in my vehicle. It stayed at home.

Now I have just relocated to Georgia, this week I will go get my GA drivers license and I can then move forward with getting my CHL for Georgia!

So I have been looking on where to put this in the vehicle as well, but my memory serves me right (in TX and NM) I usually wore it on me.

I have been pulled over a couple of times in the past and I have always told the Police Officer that I have a gun, they follow procedure, thankfully it has never been when the weather is bad like another poster had said. Not one of the officers ever gave me a problem because I carried. I even got 2 warnings (speeding) instead of getting an actual ticket. I am not saying it was because I had a gun, my point was that I have heard stories of officers being real "mean" and giving people a hard time.

Right now I am not carrying here in GA, but when I do, and if I am not carrying on me, I may put the gun between the driver seat and the console.
However I have not checked the spacing yet.....

 

Generally speaking, none of these situations involve one human being deliberately choosing to end the life of another. Accidents, mistakes and poor choices are part of life and are part of what makes us human. That human frailty can't reasonably be extended to choosing to use a gun to end someone's life.

Either way, you'll find lobbyists for and against virtually anything, and you'll certainly find strong support for a ban on tobacco use. That said, tobacco users typically made their own choice, alcohol users typically made their own choice, but the person who gets killed by a firearm typically did not. The circumstances can't reasonably be analogized.

 

Drinking and driving is not a mistake!
In the USA, there are laws on what your blood alcohol level should be..
If your gonna drink you should not drive, its the law, not a accident!

 

No personal flaming, Dave, none intended at all. I didn't reply to any specific post. Of course we know that the guys on this board aren't the ones out causing mayhem. I know you guys follow the rules, and it's clear you are just as unhappy as others about what goes on in the less law-abiding parts of society and all of us want to see the laws enforced properly. The simple probability, however, is that more the arms there are in legal circulation the chances increase that some will end up in the wrong hands. Even the most careful and responsible owner runs the risk of their equipment getting lost, stolen or whatever. I don't have any statistics, but it's a reasonable assumption that a meaningful proportion of the firearms in illegal hands today where at one time legally acquired. The more legally held arms in circulation, and many of them are being carried around on the person or in cars, the more likely it is for unintended consequences to happen. That's in essence what's driving my personal concerns about guns in general.

 

I was wondering when someone would spot the apparent hypocrisy of my sig . Freedom to drive around with a handgun in your glovebox isn't "liberty", IMHO - maybe for you, but not for everybody else around you. "Giving up essential liberty" is allowing that ridiculous PATRIOT act to pass, not stopping people buying an assault rifle, FFS.

I like America, and I like a pretty high proportion of Americans (most politicians and David Blane excepted . I've visited on business and pleasure several times. If I wanted to come tomorrow, I can't, because I now have to register with the DHS 3 days before I get on a plane just in case my name happens to be the same as one of the 700,000 or so terrorists the FBI thinks there are in the world. And if I passed that hurdle (unlike one of my colleagues here who happens to have the same name as a Nigerian terrorist, even though he's so pasty pale he disintegrates like a vampire in the sun), I need to have my fingerprints taken when I arrive, you know, just in case.

But if I managed to do that, and flew to the right state, I could walk into Walmart, and buy a gun, for "self defence". It just utterly befuddles me, and, I suspect, most other non-Americans . I consider myself a libertarian - I believe the whole of the law could be boiled down to "Do no harm", but guns have such huge potential for harm, I think the balance should be to make them extremely difficult to get hold of.

I'm not totally naive, and of course the problem in the States is the huge numbers of guns already in existence, and frequently in the hands of people who would do harm with them. But it's not exactly a "well regulated militia" as the Founders stated in the 2nd amendment, is it?

 

Umm you can't just walk into Wal Mart and "buy a gun", first of all, I do not believe Wal Mart sells guns any longer.
Although maybe in some states?
Either way, there is a Background check required
I also believe NON USA citizens(or not having a green card) cannot own a Gun in the USA, much less purchase one.

 

Well, that's just racist