vegastrashed

As you can see the majority of people do not mind a thread such as the Kills thread. It was conducted civilly unlike Kill threads in other forums. Please don't let the minority determine what is acceptable and what is not. I would understand if you, Lomag, were deluged with PMs from a lot of members complaining about this matter but this is not the case here. Thanks for listening.

Jeffs

I not only do not mind a kill thread but actually find it quite entertaining. I do not understand the name calling at all. The person who was made fun of already said that nothing was insulting and it was all done for fun. I find this to be pretty ridiculous but at the same time helpless since I am not a MODERATOR. :thumbsdown:

Oh well, no point complaining, let's just move on....hope this doesnt happen again.

ICEMAN 316

Hi Lomag,
I just wanted to put in my 2 cents on this matter. I personally think its not fair to close off a thread because a few people didn't like the subject or some of the comments. If a person doesn't like the idea of street racing or freeway racing then don't read the subject or race them self. I personally don't read threads that I don't agree on or that doesn't interest me but I don't think its fair to close it off. Are you gonna close off threads that talk about lowering the E60 or threads that talk about chrome rims because a few people complained about the subject? I think we should be able to talk about anything related to the E60 of course in a civil manner. How about if we started a thread name " what cars have you beaten or got beat " instead of kills and killed? Would that be ok for a thread? I know its hard for you because you have to keep control of the forum but I really think its not fair that we can't talk about the cars that we beat and got beaten. Can you tell us how we can start a thread like that without being closed again? Thanks Lomag

Bing

Edit: Maybe this would be a good time to start a sub-forum for this subject (What cars your E60 have beaten) This way people know what they're getting into by clicking on the sub forum and reading the threads instead of having these subjects in the general discussions. This way hopefully no one gets offended by these subjects. If people are offended by these subjects then they wouldn't have to read it at all in the general discussion. What do you guys think?

znod

Thanks Rudy. It does not look like any general policies are at issue. It seems to me that the problem might have been resolved in the manner stated in the rules--which say nothing about a few complaints by who knows who or why. I am not expecting you to reply or take sides. Thanks again.

Z

Lomag

I don't mean to stir up controversy between you guys in the least. The forum rules posted above are the defaults written in the forum software which are pretty common sense type things. I don't really believe in any rules and feel that people should be able to control themselves. Basically, I try to intervene as little as possible. Now, when a problem occurs, other members step in and make it obvious which is what happened here.


In terms of this quote, In the past several of Znod's threads have led to similar issues. I too believe Znod has the best intentions in mind with all the threads he starts. It just seems some of them spiral out of control for some reason.

In any event, I don't mean to offend anyone. Threads are rarely if ever closed. Heck, I used to get some kick back just for moving threads which I've really laxed on over the past months. It's hard to please everyone but I will continue trying to keep the house in order.

Please lets move on.

vegastrashed

I second the motion.

znod

Thanks Lomag, but, given the policy stated above, I think it would be appropriate to remove the inappropriate posts, as you judge them, from the thread and reopen it. Alternatively, you could post a message on the thread indicating what you don't want to see more of and reopen the thread. Personally, a few posts used "bad" language, inuendo, disrespect, and some non-PCness (not that I am an overly PC person) that I would rather not see in our discussions, but these actions are not the fault of the thread. I don't think that the kidding was a problem. I think the comaraderie that is develped here is good.

Unless you are saying, in effect, that the thread topic is inapproriate, then I don't know what you are going to do if a few complain about other topics. And, I don't know what you are going to do if another thread contains some of the things I mentioned above. Closing treads and punishing all does not seem to be the appropriate answer. I think that my proposed alternative solutions are fair to all--and not only to the tiny minority that complained.

Best,

Z

Busta

I agree some people have issues with "racing threads" but if you click on a topic that's named "The Official 5-Series Kills/Killed Thread" you pretty much know what you are getting into. I agree with the majority, if you're offended by certain topics...ignore them/skip them.

At first I assumed the thread was closed because it went a little off-topic but then I realized there's a huge thread with 450+ pages...there's little chance the topic was closed for that reason.

znod

Also, before quite a few posts were deleted, the thread you are referring to contained the biggest brouhaha that I have ever seen here--well except maybe the one started by the cowardly Jock Yard. Anyway, one member, and another to a lesser extent, kept attacking the topic, primarily me, and to a lesser extent grogan545. He also attacked the mods for condoning threads that deal with illegal activities (i.e., g-meter testing on "deserted" roads"). Das told him/them to cease and desist and eliminated all his posts and some of those made by the other. The person departed the forums because the mods would not ban me. So, he reappeared on the 18th made a comment about me, gave his usual inuendo about the Phoenix Police, and criticized the mods for condoning the existence of threads "dealing with illegal and unsafe activities ...." I don't want to think that the mods would give in to this type of harrassment or to let us be the victims of it.

I looked for one of das' replies on the thread, but could not find it. Maybe he deleted it too or it was on another similar thread. But, paraphrasing as best I can at this point, he said:

Many are strongly interested in performance issues and that their discussion is appropriate. If not interested in such discussions, then there are plenty of other threads to read and post on. Please limit your activities to those threads.

I don't recall if das indicated that the board does not condone illegal and unsafe activities. But, it is clear from the intro to the closed thread that it doesn't condone such activties at least publicly.

Iceman

I think you're right. The topic was not the problem. The problem was that it went a little off-topic. If a topic itself is a problem I am sure our admins would have changed the name of the topic without closing it.

Anyways, Just open a new thread, with a "cleaner" subject and then don't let it drift off-topic again.