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01-07-2009, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by EuroCarFan' post='754918' date='Dec 29 2008, 09:58 AM
Don't know my firearms too well. What brand is that?
I'm also thinking of picking up my first gun myself; either a Sig P226 or P239.
I'm also thinking of picking up my first gun myself; either a Sig P226 or P239.
01-07-2009, 08:13 AM
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Who in hell can have a legitimate use for a machine gun or a hand grenade, in the real world I mean ???
I have bad Rabbit problems where I live, hence RPG7
I have bad Rabbit problems where I live, hence RPG7
01-07-2009, 12:29 PM
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I agree fully with what Stilling said.
UUronL there is a link between owning and aggression. However i don't know how strongly or directly correlated are the two. You will never find a pacifist that talks about human peace and disapproves any kind of violence, to own a firearm. It's just out of place. Still i think there is a strong correlation between owning and chance of something bad to go wrong (like some ill fated judgment in a conjuncture, or an accident). I can't remember if i saw an incident regarding romanian child (local) busting into school shooting anything in it's path, and if i remember there are very few incidents in Europe like this, while in the US stuff like that i see or hear like almost every couple of months.
So i for sure don't agree with firearms, except for hunting only IF AND ONLY IF hunting is done for self survival (for meat, fur and that). Hunting as a game or sport whatever you want to call it is also the most stupid and brutal thing and sorry if i offend anyone, i think it's a brain disease (the primitive side of it). Come to think of it someone said that if hunting is called a sport than it must be the single sport in which the other team doesn't know it's playing.
Just because we like to think we are in the top of the animal pyramid mostly because of our intellect, then we should act like it and not start going primitive. We might find out one day that we are not the supreme being anymore and some other creature more developed than us either physically or mentally or both, could start hunting humans for pleasure. I wonder how would that feel???
Other say they need guns for the protection. Well i say get some barbed wire and electrify it and do some permitter sensors for both movement and sound and then get a couple of trained doges if you fell you live in freaking Wonderland any everybody wants to kill/rob you. THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS!
Other say it's for the art. I say get a freaking painting instead! Nothing can go wrong with that. Subconscious primitive mind hey?
However you want to put it there can't really exist any solid reason for owning a gun...except as i said earlier for one case.
UUronL there is a link between owning and aggression. However i don't know how strongly or directly correlated are the two. You will never find a pacifist that talks about human peace and disapproves any kind of violence, to own a firearm. It's just out of place. Still i think there is a strong correlation between owning and chance of something bad to go wrong (like some ill fated judgment in a conjuncture, or an accident). I can't remember if i saw an incident regarding romanian child (local) busting into school shooting anything in it's path, and if i remember there are very few incidents in Europe like this, while in the US stuff like that i see or hear like almost every couple of months.
So i for sure don't agree with firearms, except for hunting only IF AND ONLY IF hunting is done for self survival (for meat, fur and that). Hunting as a game or sport whatever you want to call it is also the most stupid and brutal thing and sorry if i offend anyone, i think it's a brain disease (the primitive side of it). Come to think of it someone said that if hunting is called a sport than it must be the single sport in which the other team doesn't know it's playing.
Just because we like to think we are in the top of the animal pyramid mostly because of our intellect, then we should act like it and not start going primitive. We might find out one day that we are not the supreme being anymore and some other creature more developed than us either physically or mentally or both, could start hunting humans for pleasure. I wonder how would that feel??? Other say they need guns for the protection. Well i say get some barbed wire and electrify it and do some permitter sensors for both movement and sound and then get a couple of trained doges if you fell you live in freaking Wonderland any everybody wants to kill/rob you. THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS!
Other say it's for the art. I say get a freaking painting instead! Nothing can go wrong with that. Subconscious primitive mind hey?
However you want to put it there can't really exist any solid reason for owning a gun...except as i said earlier for one case.
01-07-2009, 01:58 PM
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I dont suppose this thread was supposed to be about the rights and wrongs of gun ownership............maybe you guys should back out a little and cut these guys some slack ??
I dont agree either, but thats because its not in our ethos or upbringing in this country to have such things so freely, thankfully RPG's are ok for pest control however.
I dont agree either, but thats because its not in our ethos or upbringing in this country to have such things so freely, thankfully RPG's are ok for pest control however.
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Other say they need guns for the protection. Well i say get some barbed wire and electrify it and do some permitter sensors for both movement and sound and then get a couple of trained doges if you fell you live in freaking Wonderland any everybody wants to kill/rob you. THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS!
Am I supposed to carry this electrified barb wire and perimeter sensors in my car, and to the mall, and out to eat etc etc. Give me a break. People are raped, assaulted, robbed, killed in many many places outside of their home. Are you suggesting that we only have the right to self-protection within the confines of our own home!? Grow up! Banning guns is like preaching abstinence. People will always do it and criminals will always have access to guns whether they are legal or not. If you ban them or make them difficult to obtain, you only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and prohibit their right to self protection.Let's assume it's a perfect world and no more guns exist. Your 100lb daughter is jogging alone, or sleeping alone, or walking to her car late at night. She is assaulted by a 200lb man. What are her options for self-protection and or self-survival? Don't give me mace, whistle, karate, or any other liberal/socialist utopia bulls@#$!
LAWS, ESPECIALLY GUN LAWS, ARE NOT THERE TO MAKE YOU SAFE. CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS. THE LAWS ARE THERE TO PUNISH CRIMINALS AFTER THEY HAVE KILLED/RAPED/ROBBED.
Sorry for the rant but most people who make the above arguments like Stilling and BetterMakeWay are completely uninformed. I voluntarily went through an FBI fingerprint and background check in order to own and carry my guns. There's so much more to be said on this issue but... Reminds me of arguing about star formation, nuclear fusion, "big bang", with bible thumpers who have never studied physics, astronomy, chemistry, etc etc. Wow, after all that... I think I am heading to the range for some practice
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01-07-2009, 02:41 PM
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Touchy subject huh lol
Let it all out mate, fwiw if I lived in the US I would probably consider some personal protection as well........
Let it all out mate, fwiw if I lived in the US I would probably consider some personal protection as well........
01-07-2009, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rogerj' post='762098' date='Jan 7 2009, 06:18 PM
I am sorry to be judgmental, but this might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. Am I supposed to carry this electrified barb wire and perimeter sensors in my car, and to the mall, and out to eat etc etc. Give me a break. People are raped, assaulted, robbed, killed in many many places outside of their home. Are you suggesting that we only have the right to self-protection within the confines of our own home!? Grow up! Banning guns is like preaching abstinence. People will always do it and criminals will always have access to guns whether they are legal or not. If you ban them or make them difficult to obtain, you only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and prohibit their right to self protection.
Let's assume it's a perfect world and no more guns exist. Your 100lb daughter is jogging alone, or sleeping alone, or walking to her car late at night. She is assaulted by a 200lb man. What are her options for self-protection and or self-survival? Don't give me mace, whistle, karate, or any other liberal/socialist utopia bulls@#$!
LAWS, ESPECIALLY GUN LAWS, ARE NOT THERE TO MAKE YOU SAFE. CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS. THE LAWS ARE THERE TO PUNISH CRIMINALS AFTER THEY HAVE KILLED/RAPED/ROBBED.
Sorry for the rant but most people who make the above arguments like Stilling and BetterMakeWay are completely uninformed. I voluntarily went through an FBI fingerprint and background check in order to own and carry my guns. There's so much more to be said on this issue but... Reminds me of arguing about star formation, nuclear fusion, "big bang", with bible thumpers who have never studied physics, astronomy, chemistry, etc etc. Wow, after all that... I think I am heading to the range for some practice
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL, 'CAUSE PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO
Am I supposed to carry this electrified barb wire and perimeter sensors in my car, and to the mall, and out to eat etc etc. Give me a break. People are raped, assaulted, robbed, killed in many many places outside of their home. Are you suggesting that we only have the right to self-protection within the confines of our own home!? Grow up! Banning guns is like preaching abstinence. People will always do it and criminals will always have access to guns whether they are legal or not. If you ban them or make them difficult to obtain, you only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and prohibit their right to self protection.Let's assume it's a perfect world and no more guns exist. Your 100lb daughter is jogging alone, or sleeping alone, or walking to her car late at night. She is assaulted by a 200lb man. What are her options for self-protection and or self-survival? Don't give me mace, whistle, karate, or any other liberal/socialist utopia bulls@#$!
LAWS, ESPECIALLY GUN LAWS, ARE NOT THERE TO MAKE YOU SAFE. CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS. THE LAWS ARE THERE TO PUNISH CRIMINALS AFTER THEY HAVE KILLED/RAPED/ROBBED.
Sorry for the rant but most people who make the above arguments like Stilling and BetterMakeWay are completely uninformed. I voluntarily went through an FBI fingerprint and background check in order to own and carry my guns. There's so much more to be said on this issue but... Reminds me of arguing about star formation, nuclear fusion, "big bang", with bible thumpers who have never studied physics, astronomy, chemistry, etc etc. Wow, after all that... I think I am heading to the range for some practice
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL, 'CAUSE PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO
That sums it up pretty good. I agree with everything you stated above. Thanks for typing this up you saved me some time
01-07-2009, 04:00 PM
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UUronL there is a link between owning and aggression.
However i don't know how strongly or directly correlated are the two.
You will never find a pacifist that talks about human peace and disapproves any kind of violence, to own a firearm. It's just out of place.
Still i think there is a strong correlation between owning and chance of something bad to go wrong (like some ill fated judgment in a conjuncture, or an accident).
I can't remember if i saw an incident regarding romanian child (local) busting into school shooting anything in it's path, and if i remember there are very few incidents in Europe like this, while in the US stuff like that i see or hear like almost every couple of months.
Thanks for the support Krozi
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Originally Posted by rogerj' post='762098' date='Jan 7 2009, 07:18 PM
I am sorry to be judgmental, but this might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. Am I supposed to carry this electrified barb wire and perimeter sensors in my car, and to the mall, and out to eat etc etc. Give me a break. People are raped, assaulted, robbed, killed in many many places outside of their home. Are you suggesting that we only have the right to self-protection within the confines of our own home!? Grow up! Banning guns is like preaching abstinence. People will always do it and criminals will always have access to guns whether they are legal or not. If you ban them or make them difficult to obtain, you only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and prohibit their right to self protection.
Let's assume it's a perfect world and no more guns exist. Your 100lb daughter is jogging alone, or sleeping alone, or walking to her car late at night. She is assaulted by a 200lb man. What are her options for self-protection and or self-survival? Don't give me mace, whistle, karate, or any other liberal/socialist utopia bulls@#$!
LAWS, ESPECIALLY GUN LAWS, ARE NOT THERE TO MAKE YOU SAFE. CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS. THE LAWS ARE THERE TO PUNISH CRIMINALS AFTER THEY HAVE KILLED/RAPED/ROBBED.
Sorry for the rant but most people who make the above arguments like Stilling and BetterMakeWay are completely uninformed. I voluntarily went through an FBI fingerprint and background check in order to own and carry my guns. There's so much more to be said on this issue but... Reminds me of arguing about star formation, nuclear fusion, "big bang", with bible thumpers who have never studied physics, astronomy, chemistry, etc etc. Wow, after all that... I think I am heading to the range for some practice
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL, 'CAUSE PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO
Am I supposed to carry this electrified barb wire and perimeter sensors in my car, and to the mall, and out to eat etc etc. Give me a break. People are raped, assaulted, robbed, killed in many many places outside of their home. Are you suggesting that we only have the right to self-protection within the confines of our own home!? Grow up! Banning guns is like preaching abstinence. People will always do it and criminals will always have access to guns whether they are legal or not. If you ban them or make them difficult to obtain, you only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and prohibit their right to self protection.Let's assume it's a perfect world and no more guns exist. Your 100lb daughter is jogging alone, or sleeping alone, or walking to her car late at night. She is assaulted by a 200lb man. What are her options for self-protection and or self-survival? Don't give me mace, whistle, karate, or any other liberal/socialist utopia bulls@#$!
LAWS, ESPECIALLY GUN LAWS, ARE NOT THERE TO MAKE YOU SAFE. CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS. THE LAWS ARE THERE TO PUNISH CRIMINALS AFTER THEY HAVE KILLED/RAPED/ROBBED.
Sorry for the rant but most people who make the above arguments like Stilling and BetterMakeWay are completely uninformed. I voluntarily went through an FBI fingerprint and background check in order to own and carry my guns. There's so much more to be said on this issue but... Reminds me of arguing about star formation, nuclear fusion, "big bang", with bible thumpers who have never studied physics, astronomy, chemistry, etc etc. Wow, after all that... I think I am heading to the range for some practice
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL, 'CAUSE PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO
Hallelujah brother!
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OK. I AM NOT DONE!
Your laws must be working real well. 
Better make MORE laws to stop the ILLEGAL guns from getting in, because the criminals might follow the NEXT LAW. 
If you REALLY fear your kids... don't wait for a law to protect them. That is YOUR responsibility, as it is MINE. Hope your government/law enforcement is there if/when that second-in-time occurs.
So I am guilty...instead of the guy that broke in and robbed my house? You must think that making guns illegal will make them disappear 
I already think you are an idiot but if you believe this... than you are dumber than I thought.
Wow, how we disagree! I think so much of my life and that of my loved ones and innocent ones that I will do whatever is in my power to defend them from evil. Apparently, your love for life and peace exists only in your mind, because you are not able or willing to protect anyone from anything.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. - Benjamin Franklin
Here in Denmark and Sweden its extremely difficult to get a weapon legally, well unless you are hunter and go through the education to be hunter, still that?s way to liberal for me, but i feel safe when i walk the streets here. There is increasing problems with weapons here, but its illegal weapons and its be course there are coming more of them. More guns more people develop there stupidity to insanity i really fear for my kids if this continue.
Better make MORE laws to stop the ILLEGAL guns from getting in, because the criminals might follow the NEXT LAW. If you REALLY fear your kids... don't wait for a law to protect them. That is YOUR responsibility, as it is MINE. Hope your government/law enforcement is there if/when that second-in-time occurs.
right down the street from you some young kid gets killed right now, and taken his right to live from him, by someone else with a private owned gun and in the US legal gun or one of your guns you got stolen from you.
I already think you are an idiot but if you believe this... than you are dumber than I thought.
i am in chock that i am burning for the same fantastic car brand along side with people that think so little about other people, the way we should live together and life in general, that actually write about there fantastic killing tool in that terms on a BMW forum.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. - Benjamin Franklin