Petes550i

Smartass

Here's one example:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-awd-road_test

The 2009-10 Acura TL SH-AWD is slower than the 2007/2008 Acura TL Type-S (and even the regular TL).


and the 2010 Lexus ES350:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...iew/index.html

kscarrol

Sorry Pete, couldn't pass that up, it was a lay-up!

Petes550i

Here's also another great example:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_engine.html


It's interesting that the 2010 Infiniti G37S coupe is 0.1s SLOWER 0-60 than the 2007 G35S sedan!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ict/specs.html

PlanB

I think it's funny how defensive Petes 550 gets when anyone points out the deficiencies of the F10, if it's HP or sluggish sales, or.....
Just enjoy your ride....you don't have to be the defender of all things F10.
I think alot of us non-F10 owners are really just venting our frustrations because the product fell short of our expectations.
There was a recent thread started on this forum of people that jumped from E60 to M3....and the number is growing. That's because of the driving experience. IMO if BMW had made a product that exceeded the E60 there wouldn't have been such a defacto, but they didn't. I'm even disappointed in the marketing of the thing....looks bland and uneventful. But that's just my opinion. BMW is definitely promoting safety with this new car, but what happened to 'The Ultimate Driving Machine'?

Petes550i

I think you meant to say jumped from the F10 to the M3, not the E60, right?


In any case, it's only a few people and it doesn't mean anything. Whenever a new model comes out, people who don't like it jump ship to other cars or other brands all the time. (When the E60 first came out, there were TONS of people who were outraged and jumped off the brand altogether).

bm323

Talking nonsense.

I don't have a detailed test for the F10 550i sedan, but check out the readings for the F11 550i GT. Further, the F11 550i GT are on inferior tires. One can reasonably conclude that the F10 550i sedan although has more luxe, crushes the E60 550i in performance (with sport package, less luxe and inferior performance).

The F10 550i readings

Tire brand Goodyear
Tire model Excellence
Tire type Asymmetrical summer run-flat
Tire size, front 245/40R20 99Y
Tire size, rear 275/35R20 102Y
Wheel size 20-by-8.5 inches front -- 20-by-10 inches rear
Wheel material Aluminum alloy
Brakes, front 14.7-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding caliper
Brakes, rear 14.6-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding caliper
Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.5 (3.5 traction control on)
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.3 (5.4 traction control on)
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.4 (7.4 traction control on)
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.4 @ 105.7 (13.4 @ 105.5 traction control on)
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 5.1 (5.1 traction control on)
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 28
60-0 mph (ft.) 112
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.0 (62.2 stability control on)
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.85 (0.83 stability control on)

http://www.insidelin...-and-video.html
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Now see the readings for the 2009 E60 550i, with sport package and better tires on the sedan.

Tire brand Continental
Tire model Sport Contact 2
Tire type Summer Performance
Tire size, front 245/35R19 93Y
Tire size, rear 275/30R19 96Y

Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.7 (3.9 with traction control on)
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.5 (5.6 with traction control on)
0-75 mph (sec.) 8.0 (8.1 with traction control on)
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.7 @ 102.7 (13.8 @ 102.6 with traction control on)
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 5.2 (5.3 with traction control on)
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 28
60-0 mph (ft.) 111
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 64.9 (63.0 with stability control on)
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.87 (0.86 with stability control on)

http://www.insidelin...xf-premium.html

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For the 535i http://www.motortren...l#ixzz11ucf2pQ7

njlou

IMHO:
The car is beautiful!!

The people who buy this car are looking for an "executive" car with much luxury. It seems that if you say sales are very good that maybe those buyers are looking at it as a "downsize"/"affordable" 7 series, instead of a 5 series racer.So many are leased company cars.

When you consider marketing methods you must also consider used E60's at large. If you continue making the same "old", many would just get a used one.

Additionally - when people spend the big $$$ they want a big/comfortable/stylish car. if speed is the criteria there are other choices.
Colin Chapman once said that if you want more speed - add lightness. it is really tough to make a race car out of a heavy cruiser.

There must be something there if they are selling well!!

Gene

pharding

In the US, the F10 550i has been dunbed down as a SPORTS SEDAN in terms of suspension, steering, seats, steering wheel, in comparison to the E60. The E60 was less luxurious, but clearly more fun to drive.

Petes550i

....so remind everyone once again why you got a F10 then?


I'm betting it's the free key chain.