cidair

The Radical SR8 did the lap in 6:55 min. It was in october I think.

znod

That's amazing. Is the "Radical" what "we" would call a production car? Can you explain the difference in the Radicals--the one you mentioned and the two in the above list. Thanks.

znod

That's amazing. Is the "Radical" what "we" would call a production car? Can you explain the difference in the Radicals--the one you mentioned and the two in the above list. Thanks.
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I quess everyone has seen cd's post--M5/M6. The M5 results are disappointing given the car is a Euro car with full LC. Here is his link again.

The link gives the following for the M5: 4.1 12.4 115.8
Recall that the C&D M5 results are: 4.2 12.5 118

What is disappointing is that the new data suggest that full LC helps only .1 to both 60 and in the 1/4, while the related 1/4 speed value is "down to" 115.8. 118 was very impressive, but if we substitute 115.8 for 118 in the following what was so impressive about the M5 goes away--i.e., it no longer is pulling away from its peers at the end of the 1/4. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the results for a US M5 come in from the other two mags.

The M5's Original Set of Peers:

E55 AMG R&T 6/03 4.2 12.4 116.40
911 GT3 R&T 3/05 4.2 12.4 113.80
911 Turbo (415 HP) R&T 3/05 4.0 12.4 115.60
C&D M5 4.2 12.5 118 or
?? M5 4.2 12.5 115.8
E55 AMG C&D 6/04 4.3 12.5
911 Carerra S Coupe C&D 8/04 4.1 12.6
C6 Corvette Z51 C&D 12/04 4.1 12.6
05 911 Carerra S Coupe MT 1/05 4.2 12.6 111.10
CLS55 AMG MT 7/05 4.4 12.6 114.40
Mercedes CL600 C&D 8/04 4.3 12.6
C6 Corvette Z51 MT 9/05 4.4 12.6 113.20

And, here is a second, updated, peer group for the M5 (sorted first on 0 to 60 and second on 1/4 ET).

Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06--2002 C&D 12/01 4.00 12.40 116.00
Porsche 911 GT3 C&D 1/04 4.00 12.30 114.00
Ferrari Challenge Stradale C&D 1/04 4.00 12.40 115.00
Porsche 911 Turbo (415 HP) R&T 3/05 4.00 12.40 115.60
Dodge Viper SRT-10 C&D 11/05 4.00 12.50 117.00
Znod's Chevrolet Corvette C5 2002 Z06 GTech 12/05 4.03 xx.xx xxx.x
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 MT 2/02 4.07 12.48 114.90
Lamborghini Gallardo C&D 2/04 4.10 12.40 118.00
Chevrolet C6 Corvette Z51 C&D 12/04 4.10 12.60 114.00
Porsche 05 911 Carerra S C&D 11/04 4.10 12.60 112.00
Dodge Viper SRT-10 MT 11/05 4.20 12.20 118.00
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Coupe R&T 12/05 4.20 12.30 118.30
Ferrari 575M Maranello MT 6/03 4.20 12.30 118.60
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 MT 6/04 4.20 12.40 117.00
Mercedes E55 AMG R&T 6/03 4.20 12.40 116.40
Porsche 911 GT3 R&T 3/05 4.20 12.40 113.80
C&D M5 4.2 12.50 118 or
?? M5 4.2 12.50 115.8
Mercedes CLS55 AMG C&D 10/05 4.20 12.50 115.00
Mercedes CLS55 AMG C&D 1/06 4.20 12.60 114.00
Porsche 05 911 Carerra S MT 1/05 4.20 12.60 111.10
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 MT 11/02 4.29 12.44 116.54
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti C&D 8/04 4.30 12.50 119.00
Ferrari Challenge Stradale MT 4/04 4.30 12.50 114.10
Lamborghini Gallardo MT 8/04 4.30 12.50 116.70
Mercedes E55 AMG C&D 5/03 4.30 12.50 116.00
Chevrolet C6 Corvette Z51 C&D 9/04 4.30 12.70 113.00
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 R&T ?/02 4.30 12.70 112.10
Porsche 911 Carerra C&D 12/04 4.30 12.80 109.00

znod

I quess everyone has seen cd's post--M5/M6. The M5 results are disappointing given the car is a Euro car with full LC. Here is his link again.

The link gives the following for the M5: 4.1 12.4 115.8
Recall that the C&D M5 results are: 4.2 12.5 118

What is disappointing is that the new data suggest that full LC helps only .1 to both 60 and in the 1/4, while the related 1/4 speed value is "down to" 115.8. 118 was very impressive, but if we substitute 115.8 for 118 in the following what was so impressive about the M5 goes away--i.e., it no longer is pulling away from its peers at the end of the 1/4. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the results for a US M5 come in from the other two mags.

The M5's Original Set of Peers:

E55 AMG R&T 6/03 4.2 12.4 116.40
911 GT3 R&T 3/05 4.2 12.4 113.80
911 Turbo (415 HP) R&T 3/05 4.0 12.4 115.60
C&D M5 4.2 12.5 118
E55 AMG C&D 6/04 4.3 12.5
911 Carerra S Coupe C&D 8/04 4.1 12.6
C6 Corvette Z51 C&D 12/04 4.1 12.6
05 911 Carerra S Coupe MT 1/05 4.2 12.6 111.10
CLS55 AMG MT 7/05 4.4 12.6 114.40
Mercedes CL600 C&D 8/04 4.3 12.6
C6 Corvette Z51 MT 9/05 4.4 12.6 113.20

And, here is a second, updated, peer group for the M5 (sorted first on 0 to 60 and second on 1/4 ET).

Znod's Chevrolet Corvette C5 2002 Z06 GT2 g-meter 12/05 3.77 xx.xx xxx.x
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06--2002 C&D 12/01 4.00 12.40 116.00
Porsche 911 GT3 C&D 1/04 4.00 12.30 114.00
Ferrari Challenge Stradale C&D 1/04 4.00 12.40 115.00
Porsche 911 Turbo (415 HP) R&T 3/05 4.00 12.40 115.60
Dodge Viper SRT-10 C&D 11/05 4.00 12.50 117.00
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 C&D 12/01 4.00 12.40 116.00
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 MT 2/02 4.07 12.48 114.90
Lamborghini Gallardo C&D 2/04 4.10 12.40 118.00
Chevrolet C6 Corvette Z51 C&D 12/04 4.10 12.60 114.00
Porsche 05 911 Carerra S C&D 11/04 4.10 12.60 112.00
Dodge Viper SRT-10 MT 11/05 4.20 12.20 118.00
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Coupe R&T 12/05 4.20 12.30 118.30
Ferrari 575M Maranello MT 6/03 4.20 12.30 118.60
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 MT 6/04 4.20 12.40 117.00
Mercedes E55 AMG R&T 6/03 4.20 12.40 116.40
Porsche 911 GT3 R&T 3/05 4.20 12.40 113.80
C&D M5 4.2 12.50 118
Mercedes CLS55 AMG C&D 10/05 4.20 12.50 115.00
Mercedes CLS55 AMG C&D 1/06 4.20 12.60 114.00
Porsche 05 911 Carerra S MT 1/05 4.20 12.60 111.10
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 MT 11/02 4.29 12.44 116.54
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti C&D 8/04 4.30 12.50 119.00
Ferrari Challenge Stradale MT 4/04 4.30 12.50 114.10
Lamborghini Gallardo MT 8/04 4.30 12.50 116.70
Mercedes E55 AMG C&D 5/03 4.30 12.50 116.00
Chevrolet C6 Corvette Z51 C&D 9/04 4.30 12.70 113.00
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 R&T ?/02 4.30 12.70 112.10
Porsche 911 Carerra C&D 12/04 4.30 12.80 109.00
Mercedes CLS55 AMG MT 3/06 4.4 12.7 113.6
M5 MT 3/06 4.5 12.90 114.9
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Here are some new M5 data from the 3/06 MT. I have re-done some of what is above. I will be updating our leaderboard soon.

0-60 4.5
1/4th time 12.9
1/4th speed 114.9

znod

Here are the predictions from the statistic tests I did earlier. They are correct so far.

Predictions/Conclusions:

For M5 0-60 time:
a. M5 0-60 value reported by MT probably will be slower than the C&D value already reported.
b. M5 0-60 value reported by R&T is somewhat likely to be slower than the C&D value already reported.
c. M5 0-60 value reported by MT probably will be slower than the R&T value to be reported (Edited).
d. Those predicting relatively slower M5 0-60 times will improve in the next set of rankings.


For M5 1/4 mi. time:
While the important probabilities are insignificant, they favor the idea that those who predicted lower M5 1/4 mi. times will improve in the next set of rankings.

But, the improvement from the 0-60 predictions should outweigh any improvement from the 1/4 mi. predictions. OK, I expect to move up in the rankings next time for this reason and because I can't imagine higher 1/4 mi. speeds than 118 mph being reported.

Below are the old (C&D) and new (MT) data and the updated leader board.

Data for Ranking--C&D

0-60:

Stream 4.1 (Tie for Second--6)
wolverine 4.2 (Tie for First--7)
Bimmer32 4.2 (Tie for First--7)
m5lover 4.2 (Tie for First--7)
C&D 4.2
Znod 4.3 (Tie for Second--6)
cobradav 4.3 (Tie for Second--6)
Centurion 4.4 (Third--5)

1/4 Time:

cobradav 12.1 (Tie for Third--5)
m5lover 12.1 (Tie for Third--5)
Stream 12.2 (Tie for Second--6)
wolverine 12.2 (Tie for Second--6)
Centurion 12.4 (Tie for First--7)
Bimmer32 12.4 (Tie for First--7)
C&D 12.5
Znod 12.6 (Tie for First--7)

1/4 Speed:

cobradav 121 Tie for Fifth--3)
wolverine 120 (Fourth--4)
m5lover 118.4 (First--7)
C&D 118
Centurion 117 (Tie for Second--6)
Bimmer32 117 (Tie for Second--6)
Stream 116.40+ (Third--5)
Znod 115 (Tie for Fifth)

Data for Ranking--MT

0-60:

Stream 4.1 (Fourth--4)
wolverine 4.2 (Tie for Third--5)
Bimmer32 4.2 (Tie for Third--5)
m5lover 4.2 (Tie for Third--5)
Znod 4.3 (Tie for Second--6)
cobradav 4.3 (Tie for Second--6)
Centurion 4.4 (First--7)
MT 4.5

1/4 Time:

cobradav 12.1 (Tie for Fourth--4)
m5lover 12.1 (Tie for Fourth--4)
Stream 12.2 (Tie for Third--5)
wolverine 12.2 (Tie for Third--5)
Centurion 12.4 (Tie for Second--6)
Bimmer32 12.4 (Tie for Second--6)
Znod 12.6 (First--7)
MT 12.9

1/4 Speed:

cobradav 121 (Sixth--2)
wolverine 120 (Fifth--3)
m5lover 118.4 (Fourth--4)
Centurion 117 (Tie for Third--5)
Bimmer32 117 (Tie for Third--5)
Stream 116.40+ (Second--6)
Znod 115 (First--7)
MT 114.9

Ranking to Date:

1. Znod = (6 + 7 + 3) + (7 + 7 + 7) = 37
2. Bimmer32 = (7 + 7 + 6) + (5 + 6 + 5) = 36
2. Centurion = (5 + 7 + 6) + (5 + 6 + 7) = 36
3. Stream = (6 + 6 + 5) = + (6 + 5 + 4) = 32
3. m5lover = (7 + 5 + 7) + (4 + 4 + 5) = 32
4. Wolverine = (7 + 6 + 4) + (3 + 5 + 5) = 30
5. cobradave = (6 + 5 + 3) + (2 + 4 + 6) = 26

One mag. to go until the winner of the M5 is announced. I think that the predictions favor the current leaders to some extent.

Bimmer32

I demand a "retest" from RT . . . Wait, there one more mag? OK. I'm fine for now.

znod

I demand a "retest" from RT . . . Wait, there one more mag? OK. I'm fine for now.
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My predictions, as well as the current standings, favor you, me and Centurion. I was surprised to see the comparo in MT. I was just cruising through the mag, and there it was. I didn't see mention on the cover. Maybe it was in small print. I forget what color you wanted. I need to reserve at least 3 colors.

Centurion

My predictions, as well as the current standings, favor you, me and Centurion. I was surprised to see the comparo in MT. I was just cruising through the mag, and there it was. I didn't see mention on the cover. Maybe it was in small print. I forget what color you wanted. I need to reserve at least 3 colors.
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Two down and one more mag to go.

0700700

My predictions, as well as the current standings, favor you, me and Centurion. I was surprised to see the comparo in MT. I was just cruising through the mag, and there it was. I didn't see mention on the cover. Maybe it was in small print. I forget what color you wanted. I need to reserve at least 3 colors.
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you rank yourself first ... you sly dog

znod

Yes, but my results have been audited. And, I definitely wasn't first after the first round. The 118 MPH figure killed me. It's not consistent with either of the later US mag results, with R&T only having tested Euro versions at this point. I have updated predictions coming.