Attempted to do a M5 mirror install today but ran into a problem
05-10-2009, 11:08 AM
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All mirrors are heated.
05-10-2009, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bruce_miranda' post='873731' date='May 9 2009, 05:10 PM
I've managed to get my hands on the connectors part numbers 805-187 that I need that will mate into the M5 mirror glasses. They are made by a company called Hirschmann http://www.hirschmann-automotive.com/
I've got a spare switch panel that I will hack to add the Ground signal. Instead of using the OEM auto-fold switch panel I am actually going to use the normal switch panel because I want to add my own switch and with the OEM one I would have to destroy the PCB if I needed to get that working. I just need to find a nice momentary switch now that looks OEM and that can install into the window switch panel.
I've got a ICB2 CAN BUS INTERFACE interface made by a company called SPAL http://www.sempal.co.uk/acatalog/SPAL_CAN_...INTERFACES.html that will give me the lock and unlock signals and the ignition supply voltage.
I've got a spare switch panel that I will hack to add the Ground signal. Instead of using the OEM auto-fold switch panel I am actually going to use the normal switch panel because I want to add my own switch and with the OEM one I would have to destroy the PCB if I needed to get that working. I just need to find a nice momentary switch now that looks OEM and that can install into the window switch panel.
I've got a ICB2 CAN BUS INTERFACE interface made by a company called SPAL http://www.sempal.co.uk/acatalog/SPAL_CAN_...INTERFACES.html that will give me the lock and unlock signals and the ignition supply voltage.
Are these two extra parts needed? I'm waiting in the mail for my Innoparts module. Any specific reason why you need the other two? is it because you want it to be an OEM plug in solution and use the OEM button? or are you taking apart the OEM button and puttin ur own button there?
Also, With this method, I have the Pre-09/2005 wiring, which is different from yours. Is that easier to tap into the wires or is yours easier? (The post 09/2005 three wire plug)?
Let me know so I can order right away. LOL.
05-10-2009, 01:39 PM
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Don't order anything more than the Innoparts SAM module for the moment. Its extremely simple to get the auto-fold to work with just that and a small switch. You may need to open the mirror and get one of the motor wires out because at the moment your mirror has a come ground. But your mirror is easier than the one I have.
Bad news is that your OEM switch panel is completely useless - unless you are very creative and find a way to utilise the OEM fold button to provide you with a momentary Ground signal.
Bad news is that your OEM switch panel is completely useless - unless you are very creative and find a way to utilise the OEM fold button to provide you with a momentary Ground signal.
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Originally Posted by bruce_miranda' post='874393' date='May 10 2009, 05:39 PM
Don't order anything more than the Innoparts SAM module for the moment. Its extremely simple to get the auto-fold to work with just that and a small switch. You may need to open the mirror and get one of the motor wires out because at the moment your mirror has a come ground. But your mirror is easier than the one I have.
Bad news is that your OEM switch panel is completely useless - unless you are very creative and find a way to utilise the OEM fold button to provide you with a momentary Ground signal.
Bad news is that your OEM switch panel is completely useless - unless you are very creative and find a way to utilise the OEM fold button to provide you with a momentary Ground signal.
12-14-2009, 01:18 PM
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Just documenting a theory I have here incase someone else comes across this thread as well.
Basically if you have a mirror on a car without a door module and has 4 wires on the original mirror and want to retrofit M5 mirrors you will not be able to swap them over directly.
So you have two options. Transplant everything from your old mirror into your new mirror and loose things like folding, puddle lights, auto dimming etc.
Or
You rewire the mirrors like in the cars with the 3 wires and then reprogram the Body Control Module. So all you need to do is ignore the 4 wires coming from the Body Control Module to the mirror and take the LIN Bus wires from the Driver's side switch panel. And on the passenger's side you disconnect 3 of the wires and reconnect one of the wires to Pin 14 on the Body Control Module.
Hope the pictures make things clearer.
Basically if you have a mirror on a car without a door module and has 4 wires on the original mirror and want to retrofit M5 mirrors you will not be able to swap them over directly.
So you have two options. Transplant everything from your old mirror into your new mirror and loose things like folding, puddle lights, auto dimming etc.
Or
You rewire the mirrors like in the cars with the 3 wires and then reprogram the Body Control Module. So all you need to do is ignore the 4 wires coming from the Body Control Module to the mirror and take the LIN Bus wires from the Driver's side switch panel. And on the passenger's side you disconnect 3 of the wires and reconnect one of the wires to Pin 14 on the Body Control Module.
Hope the pictures make things clearer.
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I spent 16 hours this weekend converting post sep 2005 M5 mirrors to pre Sep 2005 M5 mirrors. Yes it it possible to do this.
In doing this convertion I've come across yet another variant of the mirrors. This is a pre-Sep 2005 mirror with only 1 plug. Basically its a cut down version of the pre-Sep 2005 but without reverse tilt memory and EC glass. However its not just the question of the plugs being missing, the actual mirror motor is different too.
From all the work I've done I can see that 1 plug is for mirror motor, puddle lights and auto fold. 1 plug is for reverse tilt memory and the last plug is for EC glass.
It helps if you have a pre-Sep 2005 mirror with all the functions on it if you intend doing a transplant into a post-Sep 2005 mirror with all functions. I had two sets of mirrors both of which had different features but combined they had everything. So it took a while to figure out the connections etc.
M5 Mirrors are now being prepared to go to its new home and make its new owner proud. I could have just waited for a buyer who had a post Sep 2005 car. But then I would not have learnt so much about our mirrors!
In doing this convertion I've come across yet another variant of the mirrors. This is a pre-Sep 2005 mirror with only 1 plug. Basically its a cut down version of the pre-Sep 2005 but without reverse tilt memory and EC glass. However its not just the question of the plugs being missing, the actual mirror motor is different too.
From all the work I've done I can see that 1 plug is for mirror motor, puddle lights and auto fold. 1 plug is for reverse tilt memory and the last plug is for EC glass.
It helps if you have a pre-Sep 2005 mirror with all the functions on it if you intend doing a transplant into a post-Sep 2005 mirror with all functions. I had two sets of mirrors both of which had different features but combined they had everything. So it took a while to figure out the connections etc.
M5 Mirrors are now being prepared to go to its new home and make its new owner proud. I could have just waited for a buyer who had a post Sep 2005 car. But then I would not have learnt so much about our mirrors!
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