Rick, you sure know you're stuff. How's that?

 

Sorry guys, but those who carry guns and who think that what they are doing is part of the solution to the problems they highlight are really doing nothing more than helping to prolong them. Posts here speak of rights and freedom, and talk of a right to carry arms as an expression of freedom is, quite frankly, bullshit. Guns have absolutely no place in a civilized society. We do not live in the wild west, we do not live in the times when the 2nd amendment was adopted, and in all honestly if one's idea of freedom is needing to carry firearms then I'm looking for a different kind of freedom. As I posted above, with links to my sources, in the same period that the UK had 50 gun related homicides, the US had 11,346 gun related homicides. I don't wish or mean to downplay the crime and social problems in either country, but one has relatively strong gun controls, one in reality does not, and the results speak for themselves.

 

To be fully licensed you have to know the gun laws of New York state. You have to be trained, registered and have a background that can afford you this awesome responsibility.

Rick...

ps. And I don't mean awesome in a good sense.

 

Perhaps

If I lived in Texas (or another gun prevalent area) I would carry a gun. Because that would be the safest thing to do given the environment of so many guns. However societies that have tough gun restrictions, are safer. Here's some interesting stats: http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Rele...idemicRev07.pdf

 

While I respect your opinion, your statement about the constitution is frankly, scary. We cannot pick and choose which parts of our constitution and amendments to which we adhere. If and when we start doing this, our country and the freedoms we enjoy, fails to exist.

You are correct, this is not the Wild West. I think you will find that there was far less crime and gun related crimes back then. The Wild West was in fact quite civilized. The difference is that everyone carried a gun back then. Carrying a gun legally back then, as it is now, is a crime deterrent.

Gun laws in the UK are strongly enforced. People stopped using guns in crimes due to the punishment for using a gun in a crime not because there are no handguns in the UK. Like I said, get the guns out of the hands of criminals and the problem is solved. Prosecute criminals that use guns in a crime to the full extent of the law, problem solved.

Taking away the rights of law abiding citizens is not the answer.

 

It's an unheard but frequently happening justice called trigger lock. Here is some information I was able to find for those interested.

http://trac.syr.edu/documents/triggerlock.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...BAGTBDR2EJ1.DTL

http://www.vera.org/publication_pdf/223_428.pdf

Rick....

 

Hmm, UK has about 50 Million people, the US has 304 Million, more people more crime?
Sorry I am not good at math/calculations etc.. but sure seems like alot more people live in the USA.......
Not to mention our borders are pretty much open on the south, so crime from them too?

So do you have anything to say about the criminals that have/use guns? I mean you are mentioning alot about folks that are legally carrying them, and have a right to carry them via a CHL license, 2nd amendment etc... So they have gone through background checks etc...
But I never see protests from folks like yourself, protesting the criminals that are let go or not treated harsher by the law.

Maybe if our laws were tended to appropriately then maybe we could/would have the same results as the UK.....

I would just love to see anti-gun activists protest the lame sentences these criminals get....... But that will never happen....

 

I keep my 9MM at home , with LA's traffic if it's in the car it's bound to go off with road rage, move out my way or i'll shoot.

 

The figures i gave earlier WERE corrected for USA vs UK gun homicides on the basis of population. The raw figures were approx USA=12000 UK=90. This puts the USA approx 30 times higher, correcting for the 5:1 population difference.

Being against gun ownership is one thing, but if I lived in the USA I might just think it WAS necessary to have a gun in case the burgular in my house also had one. It doesnt make it right - just the way things are in the USA.

 

Guns still exist in these countries. I think that you will also find that the punishment for the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime is severe in these countries as well. The US laws are not enforced. We need to enforce the laws that are on the books. The fact remains that we do not enforce our laws and many gun crimes are committed by repeat offenders which skews studies.

When the Personal Protection ACT, shall issue carry law, was passed in MN in 2003 all the opponents said it would become the wild west. People would be shooting each other in duels on the streets. Mass Homicides would ensue. In 2004 light rail made it's debut in MN. To date the 12mile(19 kilomater) light rail has taken 5 lives. Conceal carry has taken ZERO.