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03-30-2005, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by niktee' date='Mar 30 2005, 01:44 PM
Now that the SP is available without? active steering, it's clear that BMW has gotten the message there may be many more like me who would have gotten SP had it not been grouped with the AS.
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That's why BMW has made it an option. Some people will like it, some will not.
If AS was a definite improvement for everyone, it would probably be standard.
Personally, I didn't dislike it, but didn't really see a reason during my test drives that I needed it.
03-31-2005, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JBOO' date='Mar 31 2005, 05:22 AM
If AS was a definite improvement for everyone, it would probably be standard.
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03-31-2005, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JBOO' date='Mar 30 2005, 10:22 PM
[quote name='niktee' date='Mar 30 2005, 01:44 PM']Now that the SP is available without? active steering, it's clear that BMW has gotten the message there may be many more like me who would have gotten SP had it not been grouped with the AS.
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That's why BMW has made it an option. Some people will like it, some will not.
If AS was a definite improvement for everyone, it would probably be standard.
Personally, I didn't dislike it, but didn't really see a reason during my test drives that I needed it.
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[/quote]I didn't feel the need for it too.. I need to have the roadfeel with the old technology.
But I do know that there are members who love it. I think it is a personal feeling you have with it or not..
03-31-2005, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Guest' date='Mar 30 2005, 10:59 PM
[quote name='kscarrol' date='Mar 29 2005, 09:52 PM']Sounds like I'm not the only one who needs to "cool it".? I said nothing that requires cooling down. 
? subterFUSE didn't seem to feel that my response needed to be cooled down.?? My point, other than the fact that this subject has been beaten to death in earlier threads, was that the minute someone expresses an opinion that is not in agreement w/ the majority of the members here, the offending opinion is quickly put down by a torent of counter opinions.? I only saw one person respond to Merv's thread by saying congrats on the new ride.? This was not Merv saying AS sucked or had some problem, he simply said he felt it gave him a better feel for the road, simply his opinion, no commentary on some fault in the system.? Sorry for the ranting, but let the man have his opinion.? I'm glad you guys love the AS.? I love my car without it.
? subterFUSE didn't seem to feel that my response needed to be cooled down.?? My point, other than the fact that this subject has been beaten to death in earlier threads, was that the minute someone expresses an opinion that is not in agreement w/ the majority of the members here, the offending opinion is quickly put down by a torent of counter opinions.? I only saw one person respond to Merv's thread by saying congrats on the new ride.? This was not Merv saying AS sucked or had some problem, he simply said he felt it gave him a better feel for the road, simply his opinion, no commentary on some fault in the system.? Sorry for the ranting, but let the man have his opinion.? I'm glad you guys love the AS.? I love my car without it.[snapback]108486[/snapback]
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[/quote]Guest, don't misunderstand my comments, I have no problems with differing opinions. If you have been on this board for a while (which we don't know as you are simply posting as a guest) you have seen the sometimes heated discussions about the Active Steering option. Rather than anyone congratulating Merv on his new car, the focus was instead some need to counter his opinion about AS. And he didn't really say anything bad about it, simply that he felt the standard steering gave him a better feel for the road. We have beaten this dead horse over and over again. Those with the AS love it, that's great, I'm happy for them. How about we focus on Merv and his new car. As for the AS, Merv is one of the few who have owned both and not just taken test drives in both. I think his opinion carries a bit more weight on the subject because of that. I have never been very vocal about my dislike of AS because other than a couple of admitedlly short test drives prior top my purchase, I have no experience with it.
03-31-2005, 07:56 AM
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I was driving the car into a corner, slowing down, and the steering ratio changed while I was turning..... a sharper turning response than expected can easily cause curbed wheels...
Originally Posted by subterFUSE' date='Mar 30 2005, 01:17 PM
I just don't understand how AS translates into curbed wheels?? 
But having a on/off switch would be a cool idea.
But having a on/off switch would be a cool idea.
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03-31-2005, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hormazd' date='Mar 29 2005, 10:30 PM
Now I have no basis for this but I think BMW resolved the AS issue in two steps.
1) Probably around March 04 they changed or redesigned some hardware in the AS system which brought back the straight line stability that was missing and got rid of the twitching that many experienced.
2) August or September 2004 they dial down the ratio with CIP 13x to give us the current AS feel.
I drove many miles in excess of 120mph in Europe and never experienced a lack of stability.? I did find the low speed ratio,? while convenient when parking,? somewhat un-natural.? I never really got a chance to get used to it because on US re-delivery I got CIP 13.2.
1) Probably around March 04 they changed or redesigned some hardware in the AS system which brought back the straight line stability that was missing and got rid of the twitching that many experienced.
2) August or September 2004 they dial down the ratio with CIP 13x to give us the current AS feel.
I drove many miles in excess of 120mph in Europe and never experienced a lack of stability.? I did find the low speed ratio,? while convenient when parking,? somewhat un-natural.? I never really got a chance to get used to it because on US re-delivery I got CIP 13.2.
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"BMW has re-calibrated its active steering system, or have we just become sensitized to it? Whatever the answer is, this car had steering with the bionic sense of BMWs of old.."
04-16-2005, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hormazd' date='Mar 31 2005, 11:06 PM
I am not trying to restart a pro versus con on AS.? I have acknowleged that early AS deployments were unatural in feel.? It is however pertinent to this thread that I quote from the May 2005 issue of Car and Driver where in a comparison test of luxury sedans they noted the following on AS.
"BMW has re-calibrated its active steering system, or have we just become sensitized to it? Whatever the answer is, this car had steering with the bionic sense of BMWs of old.."
"BMW has re-calibrated its active steering system, or have we just become sensitized to it? Whatever the answer is, this car had steering with the bionic sense of BMWs of old.."
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It seems to me more natural, convenient and safe to turn the steering wheel no more than one rotation to navigate any turn in the car (which requires variable ratio steering). To implement this kind of steering requires complex gearing (certainly available in the late 1800s when the original cars were designed), but added cost and expense to design and build them. Certainly the focus on the original cars was on the powerplant (steam engines, original internal combustion engines) and the mechanicals (suspension, etc.) were little evolved from horse drawn carriages.
After 100+ yrs, cars now have AS, but nearly everyone learned to drive with the old fixed ratio steering, so "change" is needed to appreciate the virtues of AS. If it had started this way (all cars from day 1 having AS), it is doubtful that many would be complaining about it.
04-16-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudy' date='Mar 29 2005, 09:12 PM
[quote name='Canada545' date='Mar 29 2005, 06:16 PM']You're just trying to get into a fight? 
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[/quote]After a 2 month hiatus overseas, I'm BACK baby - I'm BACK!
Looks like nothing has changed! I thought before I left that we all agreed AS sucked!
04-16-2005, 02:25 PM
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I love the AS -- I feel much more in control at low speeds. At high speeds there seems to be no difference at all.
AS, Active Roll Stabilization and SMG -- I love them all. I wish I had HUD since that also seems like a truly useful innovation.
AS, Active Roll Stabilization and SMG -- I love them all. I wish I had HUD since that also seems like a truly useful innovation.
04-16-2005, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by urbo73' date='Apr 16 2005, 06:01 PM
[quote name='Rudy' date='Mar 29 2005, 09:12 PM'][quote name='Canada545' date='Mar 29 2005, 06:16 PM']You're just trying to get into a fight?
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[/quote]After a 2 month hiatus overseas, I'm BACK baby - I'm BACK!
Looks like nothing has changed! I thought before I left that we all agreed AS sucked!
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[/quote]Welcome back urbo73! Where were you overseas, in a cave or something? Wait a minute, something tells me they have internet in caves these days...
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