swajames

Probably. There have been some changes with the newer CIP updates.
It feels and handles better today, than when I bought it.



The new issue of the BMW Magazine has a short article about it, explaining why it increases the safety!


Nope.
That's NOT how it works!
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Then how does it work? Can anyone from this forum enlighten me on how AS makes the car safer in a possible accident with a normal driver?
I don't think i'll put my hands so soon on a bmw magazine...it's not like this magazine is sold out world-wide...
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Active steering is linked into the car's DSC system. As I understand it, AS can intervene if the rear end starts to break away and, working with the yaw sensors and DSC, can apply some level of correction to the effective steering angles if the rear breaks loose. DSC keeps most of that under control but AS can also make some contribution to the effort. The car won't steer for you, but will assist in the process. I have read articles that suggest that the system only intervenes when the car is at or beyond stable limits. Also look at the videos on BMW's website showing an AS vs non AS car running through a slalom course. The driver input can be much less on an AS equipped car which can aid control. Key thing is that all of this is pretty seamless. At high speeds I'd suggest the "road feel" between an AS car and a non-AS car is to close to call (I have driven both), but to me, the AS equipped car feels more direct at all speeds. It's there when you need it. The testament, for me, on how good AS is that you don't notice it much in use - until you drive a non-AS car (E60 or otherwise) then you miss it instantly.
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Nice to know that...it's another reason i don't want as.
Last thing i need is a "steering nanny" that may even interrupt/or cut in when doing superb slides with the dsc off. Where is all the fun in that? Maybe the AS doesn't get in when the dsc is off. Niceee.... buuut i reaaaaally doubt someone would make such a colosal mistake with the dsc on to make the car steer almost by itself and correct the way. One would have to steer ridiculosly hard at HIGH speeds 160 km/h + to make the car unstable with the dsc on. LOL Someone has to post some real driving exercise to comment upon this. AS comes with force feed-back just like the computer stuff J/k. We all know that dsc cuts in very soon, so maybe for eg, in an emergency manouver when u need to quickly react to miss an obstacle at the sligthest body distability dsc get's in then, as u say, as gets in and shows u that this is the right way to steer. Missed the obstacle? Dunno...

Interesting also to know that the M5 wich everyone knows it is a beast doesn't have this SAFETY feature. wow!
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Well, the M5 is a no or few compromise sports car. It has been tested directly against the Ferrari F430 and I just saw it pitchd against a Gallardo. Our E60's are sporting luxury sedans. There is a world of difference.

Many features that are relevant and appropriate to our E60's are not needed, or wanted, if you are in the market for an M5. That doesn't make them wrong for an E60. Bottom line - that's the beauty of options lists - you can take it or leave it. But that fact that BMW left certain features, inc AS, off the M5 spec or option is a redundant argument and in no way is indicative of AS's value as a safety or convenience feature to the regular E60 line up. They also left the 507 HP engine out of my car, but then mine isn't an M5.

The whole "steering nanny" comment is kind of strange as well. You're not going to get that many "superb slides" in an auto box E60 with no limited slip diff, gas or diesel. If you don't want AS, that's fine, but as you say in your earlier posts you've little if any experience in driving AS equipped cars, so what you're posting here would seem to be largely conjecture and supposition.

EBMCS03

I'll love it as long as it stays working.

BetterMakeWay

Probably. There have been some changes with the newer CIP updates.
It feels and handles better today, than when I bought it.



The new issue of the BMW Magazine has a short article about it, explaining why it increases the safety!


Nope.
That's NOT how it works!
[/quote]
Then how does it work? Can anyone from this forum enlighten me on how AS makes the car safer in a possible accident with a normal driver?
I don't think i'll put my hands so soon on a bmw magazine...it's not like this magazine is sold out world-wide...
[/quote]

Active steering is linked into the car's DSC system. As I understand it, AS can intervene if the rear end starts to break away and, working with the yaw sensors and DSC, can apply some level of correction to the effective steering angles if the rear breaks loose. DSC keeps most of that under control but AS can also make some contribution to the effort. The car won't steer for you, but will assist in the process. I have read articles that suggest that the system only intervenes when the car is at or beyond stable limits. Also look at the videos on BMW's website showing an AS vs non AS car running through a slalom course. The driver input can be much less on an AS equipped car which can aid control. Key thing is that all of this is pretty seamless. At high speeds I'd suggest the "road feel" between an AS car and a non-AS car is to close to call (I have driven both), but to me, the AS equipped car feels more direct at all speeds. It's there when you need it. The testament, for me, on how good AS is that you don't notice it much in use - until you drive a non-AS car (E60 or otherwise) then you miss it instantly.
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Nice to know that...it's another reason i don't want as.
Last thing i need is a "steering nanny" that may even interrupt/or cut in when doing superb slides with the dsc off. Where is all the fun in that? Maybe the AS doesn't get in when the dsc is off. Niceee.... buuut i reaaaaally doubt someone would make such a colosal mistake with the dsc on to make the car steer almost by itself and correct the way. One would have to steer ridiculosly hard at HIGH speeds 160 km/h + to make the car unstable with the dsc on. LOL Someone has to post some real driving exercise to comment upon this. AS comes with force feed-back just like the computer stuff J/k. We all know that dsc cuts in very soon, so maybe for eg, in an emergency manouver when u need to quickly react to miss an obstacle at the sligthest body distability dsc get's in then, as u say, as gets in and shows u that this is the right way to steer. Missed the obstacle? Dunno...

Interesting also to know that the M5 wich everyone knows it is a beast doesn't have this SAFETY feature. wow!
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Well, the M5 is a no or few compromise sports car. It has been tested directly against the Ferrari F430 and I just saw it pitchd against a Gallardo. Our E60's are sporting luxury sedans. There is a world of difference.

Many features that are relevant and appropriate to our E60's are not needed, or wanted, if you are in the market for an M5. That doesn't make them wrong for an E60. Bottom line - that's the beauty of options lists - you can take it or leave it. But that fact that BMW left certain features, inc AS, off the M5 spec or option is a redundant argument and in no way is indicative of AS's value as a safety or convenience feature to the regular E60 line up. They also left the 507 HP engine out of my car, but then mine isn't an M5.

The whole "steering nanny" comment is kind of strange as well. You're not going to get that many "superb slides" in an auto box E60 with no limited slip diff, gas or diesel. If you don't want AS, that's fine, but as you say in your earlier posts you've little if any experience in driving AS equipped cars, so what you're posting here would seem to be largely conjecture and supposition.
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Well, it's the first time i heard that the M5 is a " no or few compromise sports car". We were talking about serious safety for God's sake. That's not a compromise. Should the M5 get airbags? or DSC? or other SAFETY mechanisms? of course it's a FAST CAR, a real fast one and for that matter you need safety (passive AND active). I dunno where i don't make myself clear on this point. Anyway...
I can guarantee you that alot of things from the E60 are on the M5 and what makes out an M5 is the tuned details and increase in performance and technology. The only things that are on the E60 and are not on the M5 are the things that are really not needed.

"But that fact that BMW left certain features, inc AS, off the M5 spec or option is a redundant argument and in no way is indicative of AS's value as a safety ....feature..." I can't belive this.So Bmw left out a "safety" feature from the m5 just because it's an m5 with little compromises.

Anyway untill i get a solid material on how this safety feature from as really works i sustain my opinion regarding the safety factor.

Now...reagarding the last part of your post...well i do get alot of superb, imo, slides with an auto and without lsd, just because i don't have an lsd wich stands for "LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL" i get alot of tire spin, smoke and if you don't belive me by the end of the week i'll post a video with great powerslide/drift.

"but as you say in your earlier posts you've little if any experience in driving AS equipped cars, so what you're posting here would seem to be largely conjecture and supposition."

Yes part of what you said it is true. I just test drove an E60 with AS. TEST DRIVE a car with AS doesn't mean run the car at high speed and try to unbalance it to see if there is any response or correction from the steering. I saw the "friendly" face of AS not the safety face. So yes if we are talking about AS safety, wich i think this is what we are talking about, i have little experiance and can only post on suppositions. On tha basis you are also posting on suppositions because i don't think you've met the "safety face" of the AS in your entire AS experience.

heezy545i

Other than having a more direct feel, probably one of the main reasons that active steering is not on the M5 is due to the variable ratios.

One could say that the M5 is more intended for the track than regular e60s. When you are decelerating from high speed to a 2nd or 1st gear corner, the change in steering ratios can pose a hazard.

I've been in this scenario a few times, but maybe I'm not driving hard enough, as this did not cause an issue. Anyways, this issue has been dicussed a number of times, so perhaps a search would help.

heezy545i

Here's a thread where others are better able to explain my point
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=2638&hl=

swajames

I think you're still really comparing apples to oranges. There's probably considerably less of the regular E60 on the M5 than we might think, and of course I'm not suggesting that there were any safety compromises on the M5, just that AS or no AS is a design choice made for a totally different car in a different kind of market. The M5 is a no compromises sports car, the regular E60 isn't, and the availability or otherwise of options like AS is really just a reflection of that.

Re your slides/drifts, I'd love to see your videos, so do please post them up. Can be tough to drift without LSD so I'd be very interested to see what you can do

ipp

I think the poll speaks for it's self...

BetterMakeWay

Yes it does. But also alot who voted are americans...right? I know in us as comes in a sport pkg. right?

BetterMakeWay

I think you're still really comparing apples to oranges. There's probably considerably less of the regular E60 on the M5 than we might think, and of course I'm not suggesting that there were any safety compromises on the M5, just that AS or no AS is a design choice made for a totally different car in a different kind of market. The M5 is a no compromises sports car, the regular E60 isn't, and the availability or otherwise of options like AS is really just a reflection of that.

Re your slides/drifts, I'd love to see your videos, so do please post them up. Can be tough to drift without LSD so I'd be very interested to see what you can do
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Ok so you stick to you point of view , i'll stick with mine...until someone really clears things up.

So i see i'm one video in debt. In this case i don't mind being in debt...will post it asap.

Iceman

Well, they have left other safety relevant stuff out as well, such as foglights. ACC is also no option on the Emmy...


Yes, he is!


Yep!