545i Vs 535d
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='262607' date='Mar 30 2006, 02:14 PM
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From www.Wikipedia.com:
Manual transmissions are typically more efficient than automatic transmissions. This is because manuals generally involve a clutch instead of a torque converter, which can cause significant power losses and because an automatic transmission introduces parasitic losses through the high pressure hydraulic pumps it requires. This results in both better acceleration and fuel economy.
http://www.roscommonequipmentcenter....notes/nn15.pdf
Read second and third paragraphs.
There are many more articles but I think the point is made.
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='262040' date='Mar 29 2006, 02:22 PM
Many many many many many many car lengths my ass...
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='262620' date='Mar 30 2006, 02:30 PM
I followed the link but that is not supporting evidence. Different cars, different days, different drivers does not constitute supportive evidence, sorry.
From www.Wikipedia.com:
Manual transmissions are typically more efficient than automatic transmissions. This is because manuals generally involve a clutch instead of a torque converter, which can cause significant power losses and because an automatic transmission introduces parasitic losses through the high pressure hydraulic pumps it requires. This results in both better acceleration and fuel economy.
http://www.roscommonequipmentcenter....notes/nn15.pdf
Read second and third paragraphs.
There are many more articles but I think the point is made.
From www.Wikipedia.com:
Manual transmissions are typically more efficient than automatic transmissions. This is because manuals generally involve a clutch instead of a torque converter, which can cause significant power losses and because an automatic transmission introduces parasitic losses through the high pressure hydraulic pumps it requires. This results in both better acceleration and fuel economy.
http://www.roscommonequipmentcenter....notes/nn15.pdf
Read second and third paragraphs.
There are many more articles but I think the point is made.
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='262625' date='Mar 30 2006, 02:37 PM
Whether or not the Step is slightly less efficient is not the point. You are ignoring the most important factor; the Step's gearing is far superior to that of the SMG and the manual for straight-line performance. Also, both of the others are much harder to extract maximum performance from. And, actually, the better automatics have losses much more comparable to manuals and, of course, to the SMGs these days. Read the thread I linked; it contains analyses of the superiority of the Step in relation to the manual and the SMG.
I will leave you with the verifiable fact that BMWUSA itself lists the acceleration times SLOWER for the Steptronic than the SMG or Manual.
Other than that we can agree to disagree
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='262538' date='Mar 30 2006, 12:05 PM
znod - thanks for taking the time to respond and explain.
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14.174 (1/4 time)
98.060 (1.4 speed)
9.146 (1/8 time)
77.840 (1/8 speed)
2.126 (60' time)
BMW 535d Sport 2004
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Dragtimes has the same ole same ole on the 545i--the US mag results and a pass by an individual called "Daddy" that is consistent with the US mag results. Does the 2004 have the current 535d engine?
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='262645' date='Mar 30 2006, 03:20 PM
I think that you are not following me, your link is showing statistic encompassing many different variable so you can't draw a conclusion. If you drive your car today and run statistics and then run the car in at different track, different day you will have different results.
I will leave you with the verifiable fact that BMWUSA itself lists the acceleration times SLOWER for the Steptronic than the SMG or Manual.
Other than that we can agree to disagree
, but nice car anyway.
I will leave you with the verifiable fact that BMWUSA itself lists the acceleration times SLOWER for the Steptronic than the SMG or Manual.
Other than that we can agree to disagree
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='262647' date='Mar 30 2006, 11:21 PM
I found these data on dragtimes.com for the 535d. The results were produced at Santa Pod in the UK.
14.174 (1/4 time)
98.060 (1.4 speed)
9.146 (1/8 time)
77.840 (1/8 speed)
2.126 (60' time)
BMW 535d Sport 2004
Clive Donaghue
Dragtimes has the same ole same ole on the 545i--the US mag results and a pass by an individual called "Daddy" that is consistent with the US mag results. Does the 2004 have the current 535d engine?
14.174 (1/4 time)
98.060 (1.4 speed)
9.146 (1/8 time)
77.840 (1/8 speed)
2.126 (60' time)
BMW 535d Sport 2004
Clive Donaghue
Dragtimes has the same ole same ole on the 545i--the US mag results and a pass by an individual called "Daddy" that is consistent with the US mag results. Does the 2004 have the current 535d engine?
Refering to the times posted i think those are correct, especially the 1/4 time. 14,1 seems the most realistic time. With some mods to the car, lighter wheels, better rubbber, remove of the spare wheel and you know minour mods that anyone can do to the car, i think it will come close to 14 dead, wich however you put it, it's still slower than a 545i on a quarter mile but only 0,3 seconds or so. That's by far a zillion car lenghts. Or 12, or 10, or 8, or 6, or 4 or even 3. 2 car lenghts is maybe close, i dunno. Anyway i threw a post on our local site bmwclub.ro and asked for a guy with a 545i from Bucharest to stepout for a test.
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='262647' date='Mar 30 2006, 09:21 PM
I found these data on dragtimes.com for the 535d. The results were produced at Santa Pod in the UK.
14.174 (1/4 time)
98.060 (1.4 speed)
9.146 (1/8 time)
77.840 (1/8 speed)
2.126 (60' time)
BMW 535d Sport 2004
Clive Donaghue
Dragtimes has the same ole same ole on the 545i--the US mag results and a pass by an individual called "Daddy" that is consistent with the US mag results. Does the 2004 have the current 535d engine?
14.174 (1/4 time)
98.060 (1.4 speed)
9.146 (1/8 time)
77.840 (1/8 speed)
2.126 (60' time)
BMW 535d Sport 2004
Clive Donaghue
Dragtimes has the same ole same ole on the 545i--the US mag results and a pass by an individual called "Daddy" that is consistent with the US mag results. Does the 2004 have the current 535d engine?
This is Clived who was a regular on this site his best run was a 13.8 but i cant remember whether this was pre - or post -
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='262653' date='Mar 30 2006, 03:31 PM
Yes i think it has if i'm not mistaken. Nothing changed to it since it was introduced.
Refering to the times posted i think those are correct, especially the 1/4 time. 14,1 seems the most realistic time. With some mods to the car, lighter wheels, better rubbber, remove of the spare wheel and you know minour mods that anyone can do to the car, i think it will come close to 14 dead, wich however you put it, it's still slower than a 545i on a quarter mile but only 0,3 seconds or so. That's by far a zillion car lenghts. Or 12, or 10, or 8, or 6, or 4 or even 3. 2 car lenghts is maybe close, i dunno. Anyway i threw a post on our local site bmwclub.ro and asked for a guy with a 545i from Bucharest to stepout for a test.
Refering to the times posted i think those are correct, especially the 1/4 time. 14,1 seems the most realistic time. With some mods to the car, lighter wheels, better rubbber, remove of the spare wheel and you know minour mods that anyone can do to the car, i think it will come close to 14 dead, wich however you put it, it's still slower than a 545i on a quarter mile but only 0,3 seconds or so. That's by far a zillion car lenghts. Or 12, or 10, or 8, or 6, or 4 or even 3. 2 car lenghts is maybe close, i dunno. Anyway i threw a post on our local site bmwclub.ro and asked for a guy with a 545i from Bucharest to stepout for a test.
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Originally Posted by M3>535d' post='262655' date='Mar 30 2006, 03:39 PM
This is Clived who was a regular on this site his best run was a 13.8 but i cant remember whether this was pre - or post -
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