545i Vs 535d
04-05-2006, 12:07 PM
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Oh dear 5.8 to 60. 
It's a test conducted by a well respected British magazine so it's legitimate.
But is it more legitimate than the figures from the well respected German magazine quoted by 700700 ?
I THINK SO
It's a test conducted by a well respected British magazine so it's legitimate.
But is it more legitimate than the figures from the well respected German magazine quoted by 700700 ?
I THINK SO
04-05-2006, 12:51 PM
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Here are the best data I have on the 535d. I am hard pressed to take the most optimitic value for a car (e.g., 5.8) as the best indicator of a performance measure for the car (e.g., 0 to 60). I suspect that the 535d's "true" 0 to 60 is in the range 6.2 (i.e., 6.5 -.3) to 6.5 (i.e., 6.8 - .3). But, if we average the three "bests" for 0 to 60, then we get 6.17 [(i.e., 5.8 + 6.2 + 6.5)/3]--which is as optimistic as I could possibly go for the 535d's 0 to 60.
Data for BMW 535d:
All Steptronics:
..........................{...........535d........ ....}
............................GM1.....GM1.....GM2
0-40 km/h..............2.0.......2.0.......1.7
0-60 km/h..............3.5.......3.5.......3.1
0-80 km/h..............5.0.......4.9.......4.5
0-100 km/h.............7.1......6.8.......6.5
0-120 km/h.............9.5......9.0.......9.0
0-140 km/h...........12.4.....11.7.....11.5
0-160 km/h...........16.4.....15.3.....15.1
0-180 km/h...........21.0.....19.5
0-200 km/h...........27.4.....25.4
GM = German Magazine (GM1 = Auto Zeitung; GM2 = Unknown--reported to me with out magazine name on another thread)
Above, Merv the Derv referenced an unknown-to-me English-speaking magazine mentioning that its test yielded a 5.8 0 to 60 MPH figure for the 535d. Zero to 60 of 5.8 implies about 6.1 or so for the 535d for 0 to 62 IMO.
BMW 535d--Steptronic (in MPH) ModCar.org--2-way 1/4 average: 14.82 @ 94.48; 0 to 60 6.5; 0 to 100 16.85 (see ** above)
There also are some 535d data at fastsaloons.com. Given their unknown credibility, you decide on their value. Generally, I take what individuals report at face value, but I don't even know how the fastsaloon data are determine. Fastsaloon reports the following in MPH: 0 to 30 2.4; 0 to 40 3.4; 0 to 50 4; 0 to 60 6.0; 0 to 70 7.8; 0 to 80 9.7; 0 to 90 12.0 and 0 to 100 15.0.
Data for BMW 535d:
All Steptronics:
..........................{...........535d........ ....}
............................GM1.....GM1.....GM2
0-40 km/h..............2.0.......2.0.......1.7
0-60 km/h..............3.5.......3.5.......3.1
0-80 km/h..............5.0.......4.9.......4.5
0-100 km/h.............7.1......6.8.......6.5
0-120 km/h.............9.5......9.0.......9.0
0-140 km/h...........12.4.....11.7.....11.5
0-160 km/h...........16.4.....15.3.....15.1
0-180 km/h...........21.0.....19.5
0-200 km/h...........27.4.....25.4
GM = German Magazine (GM1 = Auto Zeitung; GM2 = Unknown--reported to me with out magazine name on another thread)
Above, Merv the Derv referenced an unknown-to-me English-speaking magazine mentioning that its test yielded a 5.8 0 to 60 MPH figure for the 535d. Zero to 60 of 5.8 implies about 6.1 or so for the 535d for 0 to 62 IMO.
BMW 535d--Steptronic (in MPH) ModCar.org--2-way 1/4 average: 14.82 @ 94.48; 0 to 60 6.5; 0 to 100 16.85 (see ** above)
There also are some 535d data at fastsaloons.com. Given their unknown credibility, you decide on their value. Generally, I take what individuals report at face value, but I don't even know how the fastsaloon data are determine. Fastsaloon reports the following in MPH: 0 to 30 2.4; 0 to 40 3.4; 0 to 50 4; 0 to 60 6.0; 0 to 70 7.8; 0 to 80 9.7; 0 to 90 12.0 and 0 to 100 15.0.
04-05-2006, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='265150' date='Apr 5 2006, 09:51 PM
But, if we average the three "bests" for 0 to 60, then we get 6.17 [(i.e., 5.8 + 6.2 + 6.5)/3]--which is as optimistic as I could possibly go for the 535d's 0 to 60.
With regard fastsaloons.com have you thought to get in touch to see where they get their data?
I still have the feeling it's pretty accurate, since they seem to have stuff not available elsewhere (eg max speed by gear) which suggests they are doing testing themselves.
04-05-2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='265175' date='Apr 5 2006, 04:39 PM
I think you are about right
With regard fastsaloons.com have you thought to get in touch to see where they get their data?
I still have the feeling it's pretty accurate, since they seem to have stuff not available elsewhere (eg max speed by gear) which suggests they are doing testing themselves.
With regard fastsaloons.com have you thought to get in touch to see where they get their data?
I still have the feeling it's pretty accurate, since they seem to have stuff not available elsewhere (eg max speed by gear) which suggests they are doing testing themselves.
04-05-2006, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='265099' date='Apr 5 2006, 06:54 PM
We've been through all this 700700 - no matter how much you complain the 2 cars went round the top gear track in the same time - this is fact...
and... as we talked about before.... unfortunately... there don't seem to be many other tests like this...
I liked the auto car and sport guy's nurbergring lap in the M3 - if there was a comparable time for the 535d then this would be pretty much put to bed..... as I've said before since the ring is clearly more demanding of different aspects of performance I think the M would be fastest (absolutely), but there's no point in arguing against the top gear times - don't you find it amazing that a DIESEL did that ?
You've said yourself in other posts that the BMW official acceleration times are conservative. Well BMW states the 0-60 for the 535d as 6.5 secs.
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecif...t-bmwuk,00.html
Maybe the guy testing for the magazine was really really fat ??? (or had a broken watch)
Regardless 0-60 times are for straight line performance only. On a track you only go from 0-60 once The rest of the time is about torque curves, gearing, weight, handling, grip and driver ability.
and... as we talked about before.... unfortunately... there don't seem to be many other tests like this...
I liked the auto car and sport guy's nurbergring lap in the M3 - if there was a comparable time for the 535d then this would be pretty much put to bed..... as I've said before since the ring is clearly more demanding of different aspects of performance I think the M would be fastest (absolutely), but there's no point in arguing against the top gear times - don't you find it amazing that a DIESEL did that ?
You've said yourself in other posts that the BMW official acceleration times are conservative. Well BMW states the 0-60 for the 535d as 6.5 secs.
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecif...t-bmwuk,00.html
Maybe the guy testing for the magazine was really really fat ??? (or had a broken watch)
Regardless 0-60 times are for straight line performance only. On a track you only go from 0-60 once
The rest of the time is about torque curves, gearing, weight, handling, grip and driver ability.
04-05-2006, 04:44 PM
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The only authoratative mag i would be willing to quote is evo, and that timed the 535d to 6.3s or so ?
04-05-2006, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='265266' date='Apr 5 2006, 07:44 PM
i had enough fun with the m3, i think ***i should enjoy it now. He is so happy, and that makes me happy in turn. I am deliberating on somethign very quick to get next but am unsure. I am looking at 650i/cls550 as you know As for the x5, sure its slower but i can drive over your 535d if im bored. 
Also i have the 330xd to drive, and for some reason you are hesitant to race me with it ? also i could just take the 745li out of the garage, and smoke some 535d 
and if i dont manage then
... i seriously dont think its that quick, christ i drove one of the first ones in bulgaria, in the bmw driving days... i was impressed , but not that much
man , i dont know why. i really dont like .... anyways
The only authoratative mag i would be willing to quote is evo, and that timed the 535d to 6.3s or so ?
Also i have the 330xd to drive, and for some reason you are hesitant to race me with it ? also i could just take the 745li out of the garage, and smoke some 535d and if i dont manage then
... i seriously dont think its that quick, christ i drove one of the first ones in bulgaria, in the bmw driving days... i was impressed , but not that muchman , i dont know why. i really dont like .... anyways
The only authoratative mag i would be willing to quote is evo, and that timed the 535d to 6.3s or so ?
04-06-2006, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='265284' date='Apr 6 2006, 01:34 AM
I am confused about the evo data. It looks to me like the data they include in their knowledge base simply are manufacturers' claims. And, when evo does "tests," it seems to me that they typically don't do acceleration tests. What is you take on these issues?
04-06-2006, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='265407' date='Apr 6 2006, 07:00 AM
90% percent of the data is compiled on manufacturers reports on 0-60mph 0-100mph . If the data is in bold print then it has been tested by the magazine on the brands hatch (i think) circuit.. E.g. the times from 0-60mph for the 911 Turbo and Turbo s were different until they tested them and found both to accelerate in 4.1... since then the two times are in bold