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Old 03-12-2006 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='253895' date='Mar 12 2006, 01:52 PM
Yep, still below 5. But, remember, I have had many, many 0 to 60 runs that don't adjust to below 5. In fact, as implied by post #1 of this thread, I have had only 3 runs that adjust to below 5.

I want the 545i's to be faster given the nasty trick BMW played on us with its stealth introduction of the 550i. I don't think we will ever know much about relative quickness of the two cars, however, unless some of us start testing 550i's. Same with SMG's and manuals versus Steps. I don't think the magazines are likely to provide as good an answer as we could through conscientious testing.

Hahahah now thats a tough one the 545 being faster than the 550... I guess we can dream... BUT FAT CHANCE! I just want it to be close! Like 0.1 sec close theni'll be happy. BUT then again its moving acceleration from like 50 to 100 is where the 550 will shine...
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Edit: I have edited this post because of minor errors and the updating of my regression coefficients. The discussion did not change as a consequence of the slightly changed numbers.

Originally Posted by EBMCS03' post='253906' date='Mar 12 2006, 05:20 PM
Hahahah now thats a tough one the 545 being faster than the 550... I guess we can dream... BUT FAT CHANCE! I just want it to be close! Like 0.1 sec close theni'll be happy. BUT then again its moving acceleration from like 50 to 100 is where the 550 will shine...
Here you go Eric. Maybe the following data will provide some mind candy on the issue.

The values for the 550i on the left above the line are taken from a test produced by Auto Zeitung. The related article in on the BMW Germany website. The 550i seems fast. Recall that BMW USA shows 5.4/5.5 for zero to 60 for the car. But, the one tested does zero to 62.14 in 5.5. The values on the right above the line are from my 5 best unadjusted passes. These values were produced in Phoenix AZ in February and March of 2006 at 1,600'. I have no idea about the weather and altitude conditions that produced the 550i results. In this regard, I have no idea what test procedures were used by the 550i testers.

Both Steptronics:
.................................................. ........Best 5--Unadjusted
0 to:...........0 to:...............550i..................Znod's Avg
40k.........24.85m...............1.6.............. ..........1.37
60k.........37.28m...............2.8.............. ..........2.62
80k.........49.71m................4.1............. ..........3.93
100k.......62.14m...............5.5............... .........5.55
120k.......74.57m...............7.5............... .........7.51
140k.......86.99m...............9.6............... .........9.63
160k.......99.42m.............12.4................ .......12.31
180.......111.85m.............15.5................ .......15.21

Passing:
80-100k..49.71-62.14m......1.4........................1.62
80-120k..49.71-74.85m......3.4........................3.58
80-140....49.71-86.99m......5.5........................5.70
80-160k..49.71-99.42m......8.3........................8.38
80-180k..49.71-111.85m...11.4.......................11.25 (one pass)

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The values for the 550i on the left below the line are taken from a test produced by Auto Zeitung. The related article in on the BMW Germany website. The 550i seems fast. Recall that BMW USA shows 5.4/5.5 for zero to 60 for the car. But, the one tested does zero to 62.14 in 5.5. The values on the right below are from my 5 best adjusted passes. These values were produced in Phoenix AZ in February and March of 2006 at 1,600'. These values have been adjusted for weather and altitude from 1,600' to 500'. As mentioned above, I have no idea about the weather and altitude conditions that produced the 550i results. And, as mentioned, I have no idea what test procedures were used by the 550i testers.

Both Steptronics:
.................................................. .........Best 5--Adjusted
0 to:...........0 to:...............550i..................Znod's Avg
40k.........24.85m...............1.6.............. .........1.32
60k.........37.28m...............2.8.............. .........2.55
80k.........49.71m................4.1............. .........3.81
100k.......62.14m...............5.5............... ........5.37
120k.......74.57m...............7.5............... ........7.27
140k.......86.99m...............9.6............... ........9.32
160k.......99.42m.............12.4................ .....11.96

Passing:
80-100k..49.71-62.14m......1.4.......................1.56
80-120k..49.71-74.85m......3.4.......................3.46
80-140....49.71-86.99m......5.5.......................5.51
80-160k..49.71-99.42m......8.3.......................8.15

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Questions to be answered (hopefully) by those that speak German or live in Germany.

1. What test procedures does the German magazine follow?
2. What were the weather conditions when the German test was done?
3. What was the altitude where where the German test was done?

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Edit: I have attached a chart, done on my Dell Laptop, per needforspeed's suggestion. The curves don't show up as well as when I use my iBook, but they are legible. The curves show what the data imply, including the passing-speed data. For the adjusted Znod average, the 545i accelerates faster to pretty much all speeds with the 550i catching up until about 140 kph (86.99). At this point, the 545i begins to pull away from the 550i. The unadjusted Znod average tells a similar story, but with the cars being more closely matched. I had to estimate the 0 -180 value for the adjusted average.
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Old 03-14-2006 | 01:17 AM
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Greetings from Germany, Znod.

First I must admit, that I found this thread a bit funny in the beginning, all this 0.01 s thing around a four-door car, but I kept following it and it?s getting at me somehow...

Concerning Your questions, I wouldn?t be too sure about those "Starke Kaliber" numbers. It?s a mag mostly for the tuning scene and young auto freaks. Don?t know, if they follow standardized test procedures at all.

The by far largest and best-known car mag in Germany (and parts of Europe) is "auto, motor und sport" with its spin-offs "sportauto" and "autofocus". So far, they have tested only the 550i Touring in a comparison against the Audi A6 avant 4.2. They use professional drivers and equipment, doing their tests mostly on test tracks (f.e. the MB test track in Boxberg) or race tracks (f.e. Hockenheim). This means altitudes from 500 to 1000ft., dry conditions, varying temperatures, mostly standard tires.

Acceleration: 550i touring A6 avant 4.2

0-80 kmh 4.3 5.1
0-100 kmh 5.8 6.8
0-120 kmh 7.9 9.6
0-160 kmh 13.2 15.9

I have also looked up a comparison from 2004 between 545i touring and MB E500 T.

Acceleration: 545i touring E500 T

0-80 kmh 4.8 4.8
0-100 kmh 6.8 7.0
0-120 kmh 9.2 9.5
0-160 kmh 15.4 16.5

For the 550i, I found numbers from "auto zeitung", which does their testing similar to AMS:

Acceleration 550i Jaguar S-type R MB E500

0-80 kmh 4.1 4.2 4.3
0-100 kmh 5.5 5.7 6.2
0-120 kmh 7.5 7.8 8.4
80-120 kmh 3.4 3.6 4.1

Hope my info is helpful, but now I have to stop this, or the next thing might be, that I think about buying a G-meter!
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Znod whilst I am really interested in the technical performance of the 5-series, this is all a bit to technical for me

It looks as if you have amassed a stunning amount of 'real' performance date for your car (and many others for that matter).

Have you thought about trying to represent the data graphically?

Takes a bit of thinking about but could you graphically represent 0-160km/h run data and identify who would win in a drag race between various vehicles?
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Originally Posted by oyster' post='254585' date='Mar 14 2006, 05:17 AM
Hope my info is helpful, but now I have to stop this, or the next thing might be, that I think about buying a G-meter!
Hi oyster:

Thank you very much for the info. It will be very useful.

I did two passes this morning, my 2nd and 3rd best unadjusted passes, and I am recording the data, etc., right now. I will be updating my numbers in post #65 pretty soon. I am glad that you are finding this discussion a bit more interesting. And, yes, do buy a meter and join in the testing. The more the merrier.

May I ask you a favor? Please read the AZ article I referred to, and let us know if it contains any information about the questions I rasied. As mentioned, it is on the BMW Germany site--5 Series section.
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='254594' date='Mar 14 2006, 05:40 AM
Znod whilst I am really interested in the technical performance of the 5-series, this is all a bit to technical for me

It looks as if you have amassed a stunning amount of 'real' performance date for your car (and many others for that matter).

Have you thought about trying to represent the data graphically?

Takes a bit of thinking about but could you graphically represent 0-160km/h run data and identify who would win in a drag race between various vehicles?
Hi nsf:

I have presented a great deal of info graphically and could do so with the data I posted here. Check out some of the graphs, etc., on the g-meter testing thread. I may get around to doing graphs for what's above, but I don't want to spend the time right now. And, I didn't want to declare any winners at this point. There are too many uncertainties. And, I have only one complete set of 550i data.

Thanks for reading along.

Edit: I added a graph to post #65. Thank you for the suggestion. The narrative I added related to, and along with, the graph, should clear things up. Please let me know if you have questions. But, all, please remember that I am not declaring a winner for my car (or any other 545i) versus any 550i. We still have much to learn about the 550i's.
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@znod

I have read this test on the BMW homepage now, and in fact it is the test from "auto zeitung" I mentioned above ("Starke Kaliber" is not the title of the magazine, but of the article).

They do not give any of the details You asked for, but the things I said before about their standard procedure should be true for this test, too. Tires were Bridgestone Potenza, I think. It was a mid-year edition of the mag, so testing was probably in spring (pics prove that), with temperatures in the 60s or 70s.
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Originally Posted by oyster' post='254607' date='Mar 14 2006, 06:17 AM
@znod

I have read this test on the BMW homepage now, and in fact it is the test from "auto zeitung" I mentioned above ("Starke Kaliber" is not the title of the magazine, but of the article).

They do not give any of the details You asked for, but the things I said before about their standard procedure should be true for this test, too. Tires were Bridgestone Potenza, I think. It was a mid-year edition of the mag, so testing was probably in spring (pics prove that), with temperatures in the 60s or 70s.
Well, that shows you what I know about German. I thought the mag's name was something like Top Caliber--wasn't paying attention to the page the link is on. I almost pointed out that the times were the same as those that you posted from Auto Zeitung. Also, the three types of cars tested were the same. Imagine that. I'll change the name of the mag.
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Excuse me for jumping in mid-discussion (and forgive my lack of German proficiency), but could the gas used in the German tests have something to do with the difference in times? Maybe a different blend of O2 and maybe no additives like MTBE?

Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='254009' date='Mar 12 2006, 09:18 PM
Here you go Eric. Maybe the following data will provide some mind candy on the issue.

The values for the 550i on the left above the line are taken from a test produced by Auto Zeitung. The related article in on the BMW Germany website. The 550i seems fast. Recall that BMW USA shows 5.4/5.5 for zero to 60 for the car. But, the one tested does zero to 62.14 in 5.5. The values on the right above the line are from my 5 best unadjusted passes. These values were produced in Phoenix AZ in February and March of 2006 at 1,600'. I have no idea about the weather and altitude conditions that produced the 550i results. In this regard, I have no idea what test procedures were used by the 550i testers.

Both Steptronics:

0 to:...........0 to:...............550i...................Znod's 545i's Best 5--Unadjusted........Avg
40k.........24.85m...............1.6.............. .....1.33.....1.33.....1.37.....1.34.....1.36..... .1.34
60k.........37.28m...............2.8.............. .....2.54.....2.59.....2.59.....2.60.....2.62..... .2.58
80k.........49.71m................4.1............. ......3.85.....3.91.....3.90.....3.91.....3.93.... .3.90
100k.......62.14m...............5.5............... ....5.47.....5.54.....5.55.....5.52.....5.51...... 5.54
120k.......74.57m...............7.5............... ....7.42.....7.52.....7.52.....7.47.....7.46...... 7.52
140k.......86.99m...............9.6............... ....9.55.....9.67.....9.66.....9.57.....9.56...... 9.60
160k.......99.42m.............12.4................ .12.23....12.39...12.37...12.25...12.16...12.28
180.......111.85m.............15.5................ .................................................. 15.18

Passing:
80-100k..49.71-62.14m......1.4...................1.62.....1.63... ..1.65.....1.61.....1.58.....1.64
80-120k..49.71-74.85m......3.4...................3.57.....3.61... ..3.62.....3.56.....3.53.....3.62
80-140....49.71-86.99m......5.5...................5.70.....5.76... ..5.76.....5.66.....5.63.....5.70
80-160k..49.71-99.42m......8.3...................8.38.....8.48... ..8.47.....8.34.....8.23.....8.38

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The values for the 550i on the left above the line are taken from a test produced by Auto Zeitung. The related article in on the BMW Germany website. The 550i seems fast. Recall that BMW USA shows 5.4/5.5 for zero to 60 for the car. But, the one tested does zero to 62.14 in 5.5. The values on the right below are from my 5 best adjusted passes. These values were produced in Phoenix AZ in February and March of 2006 at 1,600'. These values have been adjusted for weather and altitude from 1,600' to 500'. As mentioned above, I have no idea about the weather and altitude conditions that produced the 550i results. And, as mentioned, I have no idea what test procedures were used by the 550i testers.

Both Steptronics:

.................................................. ...........................Znod's 545i's Best 5
0 to:...........0 to:...............550i...............Adjusted for Weather/Altitude to 500'.....Avg
40k.........24.85m...............1.6.............. .....1.23.....1.29.....1.29.....1.28.....1.30..... .1.28
60k.........37.28m...............2.8.............. .....2.49.....2.53.....2.52.....2.51.....2.53..... .2.52
80k.........49.71m................4.1............. .....3.73.....3.80.....3.79.....3.77.....3.80..... 3.78
100k.......62.14m...............5.5............... ....5.31.....5.39.....5.38.....5.36.....5.40...... 5.37
120k.......74.57m...............7.5............... ....7.19.....7.31.....7.30.....7.26.....7.33...... 7.28
140k.......86.99m...............9.6............... ....9.23.....9.38.....9.37.....9.32.....9.40...... 9.34
160k.......99.42m.............12.4................ .11.82....12.10...12.08....12.02...12.12...12.05

Passing:
80-100k..49.71-62.14m......1.4...................1.58.....1.59... ..1.59.....1.59.....1.60.....1.59
80-120k..49.71-74.85m......3.4...................3.46.....3.51... ..3.51.....3.49.....3.53.....3.50
80-140....49.71-86.99m......5.5...................5.50.....5.58... ..5.58.....5.55.....5.60.....5.56
80-160k..49.71-99.42m......8.3...................8.09.....8.30... ..8.29.....8.23.....8.32.....8.27

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Questions to be answered (hopefully) by those that speak German or live in Germany.

1. What test procedures does the German magazine follow?
2. What were the weather conditions when the German test was done?
3. What was the altitude where where the German test was done?

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Edit: I have attached a chart, done on my Dell Laptop, per needforspeed's suggestion. The curves don't show up as well as when I use my iBook, but they are legible. The curves show what the data imply, including the passing-speed data. For the adjusted Znod average, the 545i accelerates faster to pretty much all speeds with the 550i catching up until about 140 kph (86.99). At this point, the 545i begins to pull away from the 550i. The unadjusted Znod average tells a similar story, but with the cars being more closely matched. I had to estimate the 0 -180 value for the adjusted average.
Wow Zman .I know we need to wait for some other testing on the 550's but initially it looks like the 550 may have some catching up to do in order to equal our 545's.I realize it's hard to make a meaningful comparison until we know the test conditions.Also we need to wait for some enterprising owner to do some testing.As in our cases,we were able to beat the magazine times by a significant margine after a lot of practice.


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