Any Corvette ZR-1 Fans?
01-02-2008, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by poleposition' post='512812' date='Jan 2 2008, 12:46 PM
I'd tend to think that there are many people MUCH smarter than you or I who would disagree with this statement. This new M3 will most likely go down as one of the best cars money can buy. There are lines around the block of every dealership to see one let alone buy one. I think you'll be sorry you put this in print. Just my opinion though. What do I know???
Heck yeah many people will probably disagree with me.... this is a BMW board so I can expect it. Apparently, I may have offended some so I'll be politically correct and apologize. But I'm not sorry for putting this post in print, not now or ever.
I'm not knocking the new M3, but I will eagerly start a debate with anyone who thinks that BMW's concept of a high performance V8 is better than GM. Like I said before, V8's are AMERICAN territory. If you haven't figured it out I'm a really big American V8 fan...CHEVY in particular. The only reason why people are "lining up around the block to get a new M3" is because its NEW and EVERYONE wants to be the first on the block to have one. Next year people will be lining up at Chevy dealerships to get the new Camaro because...........
I strongly believe that V-8's are built for low rpm torque and there are many others that work on and drive cars with these engines who will agree. So why build a V8 that has to get wound up to high rpms to achieve the same thing? Brand recognition?? To me, V type engine blocks & internals + high rpms = trouble. Somebody convince me. Better yet, let me know if an M3 can beat a Corvette racing uphill where you can really appreciate torque. Until then you won't see me in any line to get an M3.
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Originally Posted by Bimmer32' post='512858' date='Jan 2 2008, 03:21 PM
So if we were to compare BMW's new 4.4 liter TT (408 hp/4.4= 92.72) with GM"s 6.2 liter sc (620 hp/6.2=100), BMW's new TT v8 is still inferior?
In terms of power: Either add two turbos to a Corvette or subtract them from the BMW and figure out the obvious - YES
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Originally Posted by poleposition' post='512812' date='Jan 2 2008, 10:46 AM
I'd tend to think that there are many people MUCH smarter than you or I who would disagree with this statement. This new M3 will most likely go down as one of the best cars money can buy. There are lines around the block of every dealership to see one let alone buy one. I think you'll be sorry you put this in print. Just my opinion though. What do I know???
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Originally Posted by pukka' post='512862' date='Jan 2 2008, 03:34 PM
I strongly believe that V-8's are built for low rpm torque and there are many others that work on and drive cars with these engines who will agree. So why build a V8 that has to get wound up to high rpms to achieve the same thing? Brand recognition?? Somebody convince me.
I have a simple response to your thoughts. It's a very small boutique sport that not too many people have heard of. It's called Formula1. Google it. I hear they have these really sick high revving V8 engines that go really fast. Even up a hill.
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Originally Posted by poleposition' post='512867' date='Jan 2 2008, 01:49 PM
I have a simple response to your thoughts. It's a very small boutique sport that not too many people have heard of. It's called Formula1. Google it. I hear they have these really sick high revving V8 engines that go really fast. Even up a hill.
I am not for one or the other, its a matter of person choice.
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Originally Posted by poleposition' post='512867' date='Jan 2 2008, 03:49 PM
I have a simple response to your thoughts. It's a very small boutique sport that not too many people have heard of. It's called Formula1. Google it. I hear they have these really sick high revving V8 engines that go really fast. Even up a hill.
Formula One, like NASCAR and INDY Car racing, is restricted to a certain engine displacement (size). They compensate by using sick high revving engines with even sicker compression ratios to get the power they do for closed circuit RACING. And they never, never use the same engine for more than one race.
The M3 and Corvette are street cars and are have no such size restrictions. You are bringing an apple to an orange fight
01-02-2008, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pukka' post='512878' date='Jan 2 2008, 04:05 PM
I've heard of of F-1.....Been living in Germany for quite some time now
Formula One, like NASCAR and INDY Car racing, is restricted to a certain engine displacement (size). They compensate by using sick high revving engines with even sicker compression ratios to get the power they do for closed circuit RACING. And they never, never use the same engine for more than one race.
The M3 and Corvette are street cars and are have no such size restrictions. You are bringing an apple to an orange fight
Formula One, like NASCAR and INDY Car racing, is restricted to a certain engine displacement (size). They compensate by using sick high revving engines with even sicker compression ratios to get the power they do for closed circuit RACING. And they never, never use the same engine for more than one race.
The M3 and Corvette are street cars and are have no such size restrictions. You are bringing an apple to an orange fight
Check your facts. F1 engines are used for more than 1 race. Actually, they're used for 2 race weekends which includes practice and qualifying. Secondly, I love the Corvette, the new camaro and the V8's that chevy produces. Always have. Im simply challenging your specific comments on high revving V8 engines and how senseless they are and how they should only be low revving and built for low end torque. This is what I disagree with you on. I too feel that 1 isnt better than the other. They are different, thats all. Nice sparring though.
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01-03-2008, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by poleposition' post='512890' date='Jan 2 2008, 03:20 PM
Check your facts. F1 engines are used for more than 1 race. Actually, they're used for 2 race weekends which includes practice and qualifying. Secondly, I love the Corvette, the new camaro and the V8's that chevy produces. Always have. Im simply challenging your specific comments on high revving V8 engines and how senseless they are and how they should only be low revving and built for low end torque. This is what I disagree with you on. I too feel that 1 isnt better than the other. They are different, thats all. Nice sparring though.
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Let's see how this new ZR-1 will perform against the Ferraris, Porsches, BMW, MB, etc. One may speak ill of Corvette's other shortcomings, i.e., interior quality, etc, but I don't think anyone, even Porsche and Ferrari owners, can have any negative comments on the engineering quality placed on the Corvette's engine and other performance related parts . . . cuz it kicks ass for less money.
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Originally Posted by Bimmer32' post='513315' date='Jan 3 2008, 11:17 AM
I'm not taking any side since I am quite ignorance of engine design and philosophy. From an empirical observation, the US auto have a long tradition of v8 for the mass consumer. Tradition comes experience, and I think Corvette engineers are top of their game.
Let's see how this new ZR-1 will perform against the Ferraris, Porsches, BMW, MB, etc. One may speak ill of Corvette's other shortcomings, i.e., interior quality, etc, but I don't think anyone, even Porsche and Ferrari owners, can have any negative comments on the engineering quality placed on the Corvette's engine and other performance related parts . . . cuz it kicks ass for less money.
Let's see how this new ZR-1 will perform against the Ferraris, Porsches, BMW, MB, etc. One may speak ill of Corvette's other shortcomings, i.e., interior quality, etc, but I don't think anyone, even Porsche and Ferrari owners, can have any negative comments on the engineering quality placed on the Corvette's engine and other performance related parts . . . cuz it kicks ass for less money.
So true, I have been a V8 fan all of my life and have only ever owned one other engine (V6) until my 535 (which, I still can't believe is an I6 - amazing power and super smooth engine). My current V8 is a 500hp 5.4 liter SC dual overhead valve monster - housed in a GT500 convertible...if Ford would come up with a reasonably affordable platform that had great handling out of the box they would have a great selling car. They do have the Ford GT which handles very well - but very expensive! I'm hoping that the new Camaro and Challenger will have better suspension components/handling forcing Ford to do the same with the 2010 Mustang platform....competition is a very good thing!!