swajames

Not that I think a class action is the right way to deal with either this but 545smg's underlying point is valid and some of the posts here are a little OTT. I've also had the seals on mine switched out, and it creaks as badly as ever. I had mine in for some work this week and my dealer could not reproduce the noises - I drove off the lot and there were the creaks and rattles as ever. I fully accept that we are dealing with one of the most advanced cars on the road, and for that reason, plus the fact that I love this car more than any other I have owned, I have no problem accepting that our E60's are still in some ways a work in progress (from a software and systems standpoint). But a 65K car shouldn't have squeaks and rattles. That's inexcusable in a car of this class, cost and quality.

smcd

A sense of humor is very American too. I find this statement quite funny.

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There are currently between 80 and 90 million lawsuits filed in this country [USA] each year. That is over 150 suits per minute! Over 70% of the world’s lawyers are right here in the USA, and we are adding new ones at a rate of 50,000 per year!
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znod

I think your idea is reasonable. I don't know how feasible it is, etc. I think it would be nice if there is an attorney around that would provide some information on whether a class-action suit would make sense given the issue. Requests for attorney opinons always seem to yield no responses. I can't say that I would blame an attorney for not replying. For one thing, matters that an attorney is not frequently involved in can easily be over the his/her head. Legal matters are very specialized, and there are likely to be exceptions to what, superficially, might seem to be etched in stone.

And, for all interested, personally, I wish, as a group, we could just deal with issues in a straight-forward fashion and drop all the emotionally charged stuff. Repeating, cardinal rules of posting are be polite, don't flame, and treat all others with respect. Let's do what Thumper's mother stressed. "If you can't say somethin nice about someone, then don't say nothin at all."

545smg

Hey 545SMG, I have an even better idea. Rather than using the court system to force BMW to change its product design, why don't you have one of your wacko California congressmorons introduce legislation making it ILLEGAL to have creaky doors. Then we can put BMWUSA executives IN JAIL for making creaky doors. Isn't that how you think about things out in San Fran?

Or better yet, if you are unhappy, maybe you should just find a different car to drive.
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Living in San Francisco has nothing to do with lawsuits - First off if you're bashing San Franciscans' you can leave them out - I'm from NYC - just working/living here for now! So bash teh NYCer's if you want-

And if you actually read before you wrote - this has nothing to do about jail - most likely if their ever was a suit - it would never go to court -

This is more about consumer protection. And again, this is not about making money for all those whom are affected by the annoyances, this is about finding a solution faster.

Evenflow545

Geez, guys. I was just trying to make you laugh. Realistically speaking, no one brings a class action lawsuit over squeaky door seals. If you want a "real life" remedy, either: 1. Quit buying BMWs. 2. Keep bringing it in until they fix it. 3. Keep bringing it in and tell the general manager that you're pissed, and ask him to help. 4. Tell the general manager to buy back your car and buy some different car. 5. Keep calling BMW North America and complaining until they fix the problem or buy back your car. 6. File a lawsuit yourself under your state's Lemon Law.

Yes, the 2004 e60 squeaks more than it should Just ask me. I own one. No, it doesn't justify a class action lawsuit. If that's "offensive" because it involves real-life logic, I apologize in advance.

545smg

That's about the dumbest response so far -

Who benefits from class actions suits - the people.

For one thing if it weren't for these types of suits - insurance co's would get away without paying for big ticket procedures for those with insurance.

We would still have asbestos in our schools,

The damn ford or gm truck the blew up all the time - would still be out on the market killing people.

Firestone would continuosly manufacturer defective tires that kill people -

perhaps a frivilous suit like this would be a future deterrent to producing flawed designs and remedy the situation, of a problem that will affect every e60er - and bmw is continously selling flawed e60's - even at a faster pace than ever ,

Evenflow545

"perhaps a frivilous suit like this . . . . "

I rest my case, Your Honor.

jksanford

I've had my car for almost 2 years, 24k miles, and not a single door squeak. I think that this forum really isn't a good representative of the total 5 series owners. This group is _really_ into our cars, and we talk alot more about the ins and outs.

I've got 3 friends with 2004 and 2005 530's. None of them are on the forum, and none of them have door squeaks...

Good luck in getting this resolved. I'm not a fan of class action law suits. The only people that make anything are the attorneys. Vote with your pocket book: either sell the car or write enough letters that BMW fixes it for you...

James

Evenflow545

I concur with your logic regarding class action lawsuits and attorney's fees, James.

And I'm an attorney.

EBMCS03

That's about the dumbest response so far -

Who benefits from class actions suits - the people.

For one thing if it weren't for these types of suits - insurance co's would get away without paying for big ticket procedures for those with insurance.

We would still have asbestos in our schools,

The damn ford or gm truck the blew up all the time - would still be out on the market killing people.

Firestone would continuosly manufacturer defective tires that kill people -

perhaps a frivilous suit like this would be a future deterrent to producing flawed designs and remedy the situation, of a problem that will affect every e60er - and bmw is continously selling flawed e60's - even at a faster pace than ever ,
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Well those cases actually HAVE a case! Squeeky doors dont. Dumbest eh.


So you dont want to take the case and help us E60ers?