Wanted: Forum member attorney! BMW class actions suit
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Not that I think a class action is the right way to deal with either this but 545smg's underlying point is valid and some of the posts here are a little OTT. I've also had the seals on mine switched out, and it creaks as badly as ever. I had mine in for some work this week and my dealer could not reproduce the noises - I drove off the lot and there were the creaks and rattles as ever. I fully accept that we are dealing with one of the most advanced cars on the road, and for that reason, plus the fact that I love this car more than any other I have owned, I have no problem accepting that our E60's are still in some ways a work in progress (from a software and systems standpoint). But a 65K car shouldn't have squeaks and rattles. That's inexcusable in a car of this class, cost and quality.
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Originally Posted by rodneyremington' post='206620' date='Dec 3 2005, 12:34 PM
Suing is not "the American way".
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Originally Posted by 545smg' post='206616' date='Dec 3 2005, 12:28 PM
There has been so many posts to the design flaw of the door seals for the e60. Why not have an attorney who is a member, who has the same rattles and creaks - just help all of us and begin a class action lawsuit against bmw?
And, for all interested, personally, I wish, as a group, we could just deal with issues in a straight-forward fashion and drop all the emotionally charged stuff. Repeating, cardinal rules of posting are be polite, don't flame, and treat all others with respect. Let's do what Thumper's mother stressed. "If you can't say somethin nice about someone, then don't say nothin at all."
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Hey 545SMG,
You might want to do a little research on tort law before advocating its use for "consumer" good. Unless you're associated with the likes of Ralph Nadir, the "consumer" never wins on these things; just the sleezy tort lawyers who knock off the big fees. And make no mistake about it, it's the BIG numbers (read: fees) that get the corporate attention.
Maybe that's your idea of the "American way" but it's not mine.
Ray Hull
PS: And while you're doing due diligence on BMW and tort law, check out why BMW refuses to sell their (Schuberth-made) motorcycle helmets in this country, despite their being, well, head and shoulders above the competition, and the EU Standard. Maybe then you'll see how international corporations--and particularly this one--view your idea of the "American way."
You might want to do a little research on tort law before advocating its use for "consumer" good. Unless you're associated with the likes of Ralph Nadir, the "consumer" never wins on these things; just the sleezy tort lawyers who knock off the big fees. And make no mistake about it, it's the BIG numbers (read: fees) that get the corporate attention.
Maybe that's your idea of the "American way" but it's not mine.
Ray Hull
PS: And while you're doing due diligence on BMW and tort law, check out why BMW refuses to sell their (Schuberth-made) motorcycle helmets in this country, despite their being, well, head and shoulders above the competition, and the EU Standard. Maybe then you'll see how international corporations--and particularly this one--view your idea of the "American way."
Or better yet, if you are unhappy, maybe you should just find a different car to drive.
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Living in San Francisco has nothing to do with lawsuits - First off if you're bashing San Franciscans' you can leave them out - I'm from NYC - just working/living here for now! So bash teh NYCer's if you want-
And if you actually read before you wrote - this has nothing to do about jail - most likely if their ever was a suit - it would never go to court -
This is more about consumer protection. And again, this is not about making money for all those whom are affected by the annoyances, this is about finding a solution faster.
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Geez, guys. I was just trying to make you laugh. Realistically speaking, no one brings a class action lawsuit over squeaky door seals. If you want a "real life" remedy, either: 1. Quit buying BMWs. 2. Keep bringing it in until they fix it. 3. Keep bringing it in and tell the general manager that you're pissed, and ask him to help. 4. Tell the general manager to buy back your car and buy some different car. 5. Keep calling BMW North America and complaining until they fix the problem or buy back your car. 6. File a lawsuit yourself under your state's Lemon Law.
Yes, the 2004 e60 squeaks more than it should Just ask me. I own one. No, it doesn't justify a class action lawsuit. If that's "offensive" because it involves real-life logic, I apologize in advance.
Yes, the 2004 e60 squeaks more than it should Just ask me. I own one. No, it doesn't justify a class action lawsuit. If that's "offensive" because it involves real-life logic, I apologize in advance.
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' post='206693' date='Dec 3 2005, 12:38 PM
WHAT!? No No No! No one benefits from class action suits besides the lawyer. What will you get in return? $1.25? ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/rolleyes.gif)
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That's about the dumbest response so far -
Who benefits from class actions suits - the people.
For one thing if it weren't for these types of suits - insurance co's would get away without paying for big ticket procedures for those with insurance.
We would still have asbestos in our schools,
The damn ford or gm truck the blew up all the time - would still be out on the market killing people.
Firestone would continuosly manufacturer defective tires that kill people -
perhaps a frivilous suit like this would be a future deterrent to producing flawed designs and remedy the situation, of a problem that will affect every e60er - and bmw is continously selling flawed e60's - even at a faster pace than ever ,
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I've had my car for almost 2 years, 24k miles, and not a single door squeak. I think that this forum really isn't a good representative of the total 5 series owners. This group is _really_ into our cars, and we talk alot more about the ins and outs.
I've got 3 friends with 2004 and 2005 530's. None of them are on the forum, and none of them have door squeaks...
Good luck in getting this resolved. I'm not a fan of class action law suits. The only people that make anything are the attorneys. Vote with your pocket book: either sell the car or write enough letters that BMW fixes it for you...
James
I've got 3 friends with 2004 and 2005 530's. None of them are on the forum, and none of them have door squeaks...
Good luck in getting this resolved. I'm not a fan of class action law suits. The only people that make anything are the attorneys. Vote with your pocket book: either sell the car or write enough letters that BMW fixes it for you...
James
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That's about the dumbest response so far -
Who benefits from class actions suits - the people.
For one thing if it weren't for these types of suits - insurance co's would get away without paying for big ticket procedures for those with insurance.
We would still have asbestos in our schools,
The damn ford or gm truck the blew up all the time - would still be out on the market killing people.
Firestone would continuosly manufacturer defective tires that kill people -
perhaps a frivilous suit like this would be a future deterrent to producing flawed designs and remedy the situation, of a problem that will affect every e60er - and bmw is continously selling flawed e60's - even at a faster pace than ever ,
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Well those cases actually HAVE a case! Squeeky doors dont. Dumbest eh.
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So you dont want to take the case and help us E60ers?
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