PORK AND SOCIALISM MASQUERADING AS "STIMULUS"
01-28-2009, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PraiseTheLowered' post='779960' date='Jan 29 2009, 01:10 AM
Oh, i learned there is no such thing as a free lunch.
01-28-2009, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='779953' date='Jan 29 2009, 12:05 AM
You guys would have been much better advised to vent your frustration on the $3 trillion that Number 43 poured down the crapper on Iraq.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=...45&qpid=779953
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=...45&qpid=779953
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost.
I am on your team, I do not agree with the amount that was spent on the war. However, 43 is not solely responsible for the war. Both sides of the isle are wholly culpable and could have stopped the funding of the Iraq war. Neither side, despite their rhetoric, ever stepped up to the plate. I also disagree with the Bush stimulus package and ALL of the bailout packages. The free market should be allowed to run its course. If Gov't spending solved recessions, we would never have recessions.
?We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.? ? FDR?s Treasury Sec. Henry Morgenthau Jr., architect of the New Deal.
01-28-2009, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='779969' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:19 PM
Oh no you di'nt! I am on your team, I do not agree with the amount that was spent on the war. However, 43 is not solely responsible for the war. Both sides of the isle are wholly culpable and could have stopped the funding of the Iraq war. Neither side, despite their rhetoric, ever stepped up to the plate.
I also disagree with the Bush stimulus package and ALL of the bailout packages. The free market should be allowed to run its course. If Gov't spending solved recessions, we would never have recessions.
?We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.? ? FDR?s Treasury Sec. Henry Morgenthau Jr., architect of the New Deal.
I am on your team, I do not agree with the amount that was spent on the war. However, 43 is not solely responsible for the war. Both sides of the isle are wholly culpable and could have stopped the funding of the Iraq war. Neither side, despite their rhetoric, ever stepped up to the plate. I also disagree with the Bush stimulus package and ALL of the bailout packages. The free market should be allowed to run its course. If Gov't spending solved recessions, we would never have recessions.
?We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.? ? FDR?s Treasury Sec. Henry Morgenthau Jr., architect of the New Deal.
01-28-2009, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='779969' date='Jan 29 2009, 01:19 AM
Oh no you di'nt! I am on your team, I do not agree with the amount that was spent on the war. However, 43 is not solely responsible for the war. Both sides of the isle are wholly culpable and could have stopped the funding of the Iraq war. Neither side, despite their rhetoric, ever stepped up to the plate.
I also disagree with the Bush stimulus package and ALL of the bailout packages. The free market should be allowed to run its course. If Gov't spending solved recessions, we would never have recessions.
?We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.? ? FDR?s Treasury Sec. Henry Morgenthau Jr., architect of the New Deal.
I am on your team, I do not agree with the amount that was spent on the war. However, 43 is not solely responsible for the war. Both sides of the isle are wholly culpable and could have stopped the funding of the Iraq war. Neither side, despite their rhetoric, ever stepped up to the plate. I also disagree with the Bush stimulus package and ALL of the bailout packages. The free market should be allowed to run its course. If Gov't spending solved recessions, we would never have recessions.
?We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.? ? FDR?s Treasury Sec. Henry Morgenthau Jr., architect of the New Deal.
Don't even start me on the bailouts; Sixcard and I went around and around on this forum. They all can go down the toilet as far as I am concerned, greedy bast***'s
! It's not a "free-market" if the government is bailin' you out.......
01-28-2009, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='779962' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:14 PM
That $3 trillion is your past, present and future. You'll be paying for it in all three.
So it's absolutely relevant to the debate.
More to the point, it's intellectually bankrupt for you to criticize the actions of the incumbent if you choose to ignore the inextricable link to the actions of the predecessor.
So it's absolutely relevant to the debate.
More to the point, it's intellectually bankrupt for you to criticize the actions of the incumbent if you choose to ignore the inextricable link to the actions of the predecessor.
Oh believe me I never agreed with the spending policies then and I dont now.
I think this type of spending is purely counter effective and only deepens the financial hole we are in.
If you read my above post (which leads me to believe you havent) you would have seen that I didnt agree.
01-28-2009, 10:01 PM
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So far this topic has remained civil. I applaud everyone who has posted so far.
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
01-28-2009, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='779990' date='Jan 28 2009, 11:01 PM
So far this topic has remained civil. I applaud everyone who has posted so far.
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
Its hard to throw insults when you are dealing with pure facts but im sure someone will find a way
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Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='779990' date='Jan 29 2009, 08:01 AM
So far this topic has remained civil. I applaud everyone who has posted so far.
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
+1
So far I am impressed that such a discussion is taking place here without personal attacks and childish behavior.
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil.
01-29-2009, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='779990' date='Jan 29 2009, 02:01 AM
So far this topic has remained civil. I applaud everyone who has posted so far.
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
This is in no way directed at any member of the forum:
To anyone who is thinking of posting in this thread, please be civil. There is no need for name calling or childish antics. If you cannot handle talking about this subject in a civil manner, move along to another thread.
Unfortunately, I fear that by tomorrow afternoon when I check this thread again, it will be rife with name calling, expletives and childish antics. Please prove me wrong about this behavior people.
Hey DRANGED, F off you j**koff.
Just kidding. My 2 cents is this: There have been several valid points raised and they are all opinions so no one is wrong per se. The fact is, McCain or anyone else sitting in the Oval office would have had to make these same tough decisions and those decisions cant please everybody. The money spent in the past and the policies adhered to in the past is why we are where we are. It all starts and ends with the banking industry. Once our banking system is healthy again, the rest of the economy will follow suit. Democrat or Republican, we need a sound banking infrastructure to then fix everything else. Thus the reason Washington is so quick to throw money around Wall St. If Wall St. recovers, then slowly but surely, so will everything else. Then again, what do I know, Im just a lowly Wall streeter.All the best
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='779962' date='Jan 29 2009, 12:14 AM
That $3 trillion is your past, present and future. You'll be paying for it in all three.
So it's absolutely relevant to the debate.
More to the point, it's intellectually bankrupt for you to criticize the actions of the incumbent if you choose to ignore the inextricable link to the actions of the predecessor.
So it's absolutely relevant to the debate.
More to the point, it's intellectually bankrupt for you to criticize the actions of the incumbent if you choose to ignore the inextricable link to the actions of the predecessor.
Guys, I want someone, anyone, to talk some key strategies that will help this economy. If you believe a republican plan is the only one that would work than this conversation will never accomplish anything. When Clinton was in office, not 1 republican in the house voted for his bill either, it did well. This is a partisian issue. I by no means think this bill is the cure all. Our economy has so many cracks in the foundation that all sides chiseled in. This bill will help, will it fix probably not and at the same time either would the GOP plan or what some of you are talking about. We as a nation have to do something and this puts money out there. What better way than to use the money to strenghten our country? Again, if the other side was voted in office this conversation would be going the opposite direction.
Oh by the way, I have no problem with many of these "socialist" programs such as healthcare and others that are being pushed, we should be taking care of our people where we can and not always using the pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
All our politicians are living under a socialist program as well as our (my) military...