PORK AND SOCIALISM MASQUERADING AS "STIMULUS"
01-28-2009, 08:51 PM
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Perfect, that is exactly what I want...a free country. Gov't has no business in these programs save the Military, CIA and FBI because they are in defense of our country.
Do you know that we went to war with the British to earn our freedom over a 3-5% tax increase?
Do you know that we went to war with the British to earn our freedom over a 3-5% tax increase?
01-28-2009, 08:59 PM
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Obama's proposed tax cuts in the "stimulusLESS" package are to people who DO NOT pay taxes. What does this mean you ask? How is it possible to cut the taxes of people who don't pay taxes. It isn't. It means you and I are paying for these people to get a Gov't Paycheck(read Welfare Check) in addition to not having to any taxes.
Read and Learn about who pays taxes. All statistics are courtesy of the IRS and CBO.
http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/August...whattheypay.pdf
Read and Learn about who pays taxes. All statistics are courtesy of the IRS and CBO.
http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/August...whattheypay.pdf
01-28-2009, 09:05 PM
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You guys would have been much better advised to vent your frustration on the $3 trillion that Number 43 poured down the crapper on Iraq.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost of these actions.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost of these actions.
01-28-2009, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='779949' date='Jan 28 2009, 09:59 PM
Obama's proposed tax cuts in the "stimulusLESS" package are to people who DO NOT pay taxes. What does this mean you ask? How is it possible to cut the taxes of people who don't pay taxes. It isn't. It means you and I are paying for these people to get a Gov't Paycheck(read Welfare Check) in addition to not having to any taxes.
Read and Learn about who pays taxes. All statistics are courtesy of the IRS and CBO.
http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/August...whattheypay.pdf
Read and Learn about who pays taxes. All statistics are courtesy of the IRS and CBO.
http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/August...whattheypay.pdf
i wont lie after going through that three times i kinda shat myself.
I know between state and federal taxes my father pays 55%. He went from $450,000 a year to $70,000 because the taxes were too high and it wasnt worth the stress. He actually went grey in five months.
01-28-2009, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='779953' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:05 PM
You guys would have been much better advised to vent your frustration on the $3 trillion that Number 43 poured down the crapper on Iraq.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost of these actions.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost of these actions.
01-28-2009, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by garylewa' post='779958' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:09 PM
Econ 101: You CANNOT build an economy on the non-working or welfare state.
01-28-2009, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PraiseTheLowered' post='779959' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:09 PM
How about you focus on what we are talking about instead of trying to move the conversation to the past
So it's absolutely relevant to the debate.
More to the point, it's intellectually bankrupt for you to criticize the actions of the incumbent if you choose to ignore the inextricable link to the actions of the predecessor.
01-28-2009, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='779953' date='Jan 29 2009, 01:05 AM
You guys would have been much better advised to vent your frustration on the $3 trillion that Number 43 poured down the crapper on Iraq.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost of these actions.
Even at $860bn, this stimulus package is pissing in the wind compared to the tax dollars that the former administration wasted.
And both numbers pale into insignificance when you think the about the human cost of these actions.
No frustration. I'm a fiscal conservative (Bush wasn't) and the numbers that Washington (both previous admins and current) are throwing around are mind-boggling!!!! Christ, I remember in the early '80's when Kirby Puckett re-signed with the Twins for an unheard of amount of 1 million per year and people couldn't believe it and now we throw around numbers like billion and trillion and we are just supposed to sit around and say nothing! That is alot of cash!!!!
01-28-2009, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by garylewa' post='779964' date='Jan 28 2009, 10:16 PM
No frustration. I'm a fiscal conservative (Bush wasn't) and the numbers that Washington (both previous admins and current) are throwing around are mind-boggling!!!! Christ, I remember in the early '80's when Kirby Puckett re-signed with the Twins for an unheard of amount of 1 million per year and people couldn't believe it and now we throw around numbers like billion and trillion and we are just supposed to sit around and say nothing! That is alot of cash!!!!