IrishEyes

Thats absolutely terrible. A by-product of the gun culture I'd guess. Shoot first and talk afterwards. And it seems to be getting more prevelant.

The other thing that gets me is the number of rounds they fire. They sure seem keen on emptying every clip.

It just reminded me of a short news clip within the last week or so where a cop pushed some poor unfortunate against a wall and he ended up in a coma. I haven't heard anything else since but I do hope he pulls through it.

rogerj

Bad assumption Irish. There are millions of responsible legal gun owners here. Your assumption would suggest millions of gun incidents. Not true, doesn't happen. This was an incident between 2 LEOs (law enforcement officers). For you to suggest that this incident is the result of a "gun culture" is ridiculous.

IrishEyes

Ooops, I think I upset a gun owner Pistols at dawn.

Could very well be a bad assumption.

When I'm over on hols in the US, I assume everyone has a gun. At home (or nearly everywhere else I've been for that matter) I don't.

Would LEO's in general think the same and assume the worst? I don't know how many times I've seen cops approaching cars pulled over for some minor offence and nearly all approach cautiously, some with their hand poised over the gun. I think thats an awful position to be in. For both parties.
All it needs is the wrong move, however innocent and the chances of bullets flying increases. Thats the bit that scares the hell out of me. And then to make things worse, swap in a gun novice. LEO or otherwise.

The place is awash with guns and unfortunately not everyone with a gun is a responsible law abiding citizen. My simple brain can only deduce that the more guns out there the more likely something bad is going to happen.

craigm1841

as a civilian, you NEVER pull out a gun unless you plan on pulling that trigger. civilians dont have the right to pull out a weapon as a form of intimidation or a way to get someone to stop doing something. you pull it, you use it. period. otherwise leave it concealed. a weapon is not a reasoning tool for a civilian. If you dont need to kill someone to protect life, dont pull out your weapon.

juris335

Pathetic situation all around. I've read all the posts and they are just excellent. I personally wouldn't play the race card, though. I'd wait and see what the evidence is post-investigation. Playing the race card, this early (even before the investigation has begun) is a really sad commentary.

rogerj

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I agree whole-heartedly... and as a law abiding citizen... I choose to protect myself against those irresponsible, non-law-abiding citizens.

Unless you can identify, control, and contain ALL those who may use a deadly weapon against me or mine. I INSIST that that I have access to the same defense that may be used as an offense against me.

sdg1871

+1.

juris335

Irish- Please put the facts into proper perspective. Consider :
1. Ireland (your entire country) has 4+ million citizens substantiall all are of Irish descent.
2. Houston (just one American city) has 2.2 million citizens. America has 300 million very diverse citizens.
3. Our liberally biased media hates guns and will give tremendous play to any story placing guns and gun ownership in a bad light.
4. Thus, you see plenty of stories that are negative about guns.

As for Racisism it is mindless to scream racisism before the facts are investigated. Emotions often blind intellect so the intellect cannot be used. This case may be racism or it may not. No one on this site was an eye witness so no one can use his intellect and claim it was racism. The instant I see a story about a black cop who shoots a white guy I do not assert it was racism. I wait till the investigation is complete then make my own intellectual analysis. It is racisim to play the race card before any facts are known. Just my 2 cents.