I'm not a fan of politics
10-19-2009, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='1036124' date='Oct 19 2009, 07:17 PM
AWG, I normally agree with a lot of your opinions, but as a retired Marine who actually fought for our country in Desert Storm, I am troubled to hear when one of our citizens wishes for a president to fail. If he fails, we all fail. All the sacrifices of my brothers and sisters-in arms (especially those who lost their lives) of past and present will have been for nothing. In times like these, we should put our political differences aside and press on and wish for our leaders to succeed in moving our country forward for the good of the common man. If you meant to say that he fails a particular agenda is one thing, but if you wish that he fails in everything then that means more trouble for the whole country. I wish the president and any president after him lots and lots of success in making this country the world-class leader that it once was and creating lots of opportunities for all its citizens. Thank you, Joe.
I think AWG should have elaborated on her statement a little more as it can be interpreted many different ways and is a very bold statement to make.
I think she wanted to say she doesn't want anything bad for the country, she just wants Obama to fail with his policies, with which she does not agree with.
I for one think, that if he fails to follow through with his intended policies, it would be better for the country. AWG does not want Obama to fail in a way that would tear apart the country.
10-19-2009, 04:14 PM
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I think AWG should have elaborated on her statement a little more as it can be interpreted many different ways and is a very bold statement to make.
I think she wanted to say she doesn't want anything bad for the country, she just wants Obama to fail with his policies, with which she does not agree with.
I for one think, that if he fails to follow through with his intended policies, it would be better for the country. AWG does not want Obama to fail in a way that would tear apart the country.
I think she wanted to say she doesn't want anything bad for the country, she just wants Obama to fail with his policies, with which she does not agree with.
I for one think, that if he fails to follow through with his intended policies, it would be better for the country. AWG does not want Obama to fail in a way that would tear apart the country.
10-19-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Alpine White Girl' post='1036149' date='Oct 19 2009, 08:14 PM
Marc you nailed it.
Do I get a medal now?
10-19-2009, 11:11 PM
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I'm not particularly fond of some of Obama's policies, but neither was I ever a Bush fan. But above it all, I am never one of those people who sits on his ass and looks for people to blame for his troubles. I would, however, like to know who is responsible for the fact that it is now regarded almost patriotic to equate criticism of our government with treason and being "anti-American".
I don't know how many realize that as we sit here and debate on this or that, with each debate some of our freedoms are gradually disappearing and dissolving - be it under the umbrella of anti-terrorism or in the name of "public good"...
You kids wanna know about politics? ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.
That's all there is to it. Next subject please
I don't know how many realize that as we sit here and debate on this or that, with each debate some of our freedoms are gradually disappearing and dissolving - be it under the umbrella of anti-terrorism or in the name of "public good"...
You kids wanna know about politics? ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.
That's all there is to it. Next subject please
10-22-2009, 07:33 AM
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Great responses. Interesting points.
"The U.S. Constitution does not say democracy" Sure it does! We the people (not dictator or group) in order to form a more prefect union (the US)... Now "we the people" has been replaced by "we the corporation".
Obama's Health Care policy - Uhmmmm... No! Obama dusted off Hillary Clintons version. Remember her plan during her husbands? administration. the Dems have been pushing this for years. This is not new! It's new to those who have just awaken to the political system! Rep. hated the idea because insurance companies are the new banks. Research Atena's payout vs. investment portfolio. It doesn't balance out. When was the last time you received a rebate check from your health insurance company?
This is not an American issue. We live in an interconnected world. What happens to one nation has an impact on all.
Universal Health care doesn't work on a large scale? Uhmmm... Research and study Nihon's (Japan's real name) Universal Health Care plan. Very productive.
America's issue is diversity and no middle ground. We are all fighting to get our little piece of the pie and screw our fellow American. Dem vs Rep. Black vs. White. Gay vs. Les. Rich vs. Poor. We we've done since 1700's is fight, bicker, and argue. But watch out! Because all the while, China is quietly increasing its hegemony in the world. It?s partnering with Asian and African nations for natural resources and doing so quite well! They surpass Japan's wealth next year. And you don't see any Chinese Mogadishu! - which was over oil. Do your research. They respect the people where they do business. China is also investing enormous amounts in South America. In 15 or 20 years the U.S. won't have to worry amount illegal aliens. All the jobs and wealth will be in South America.
We are moving slowly at becoming a Second Class Country!
I have mixed emotions. I lost my young adulthood, and now my middle age serving my nation - and yet when I retire I have no desire to live in the U.S. Because everyone in the US is worried about self!
My couple, three, four cents...
"The U.S. Constitution does not say democracy" Sure it does! We the people (not dictator or group) in order to form a more prefect union (the US)... Now "we the people" has been replaced by "we the corporation".
Obama's Health Care policy - Uhmmmm... No! Obama dusted off Hillary Clintons version. Remember her plan during her husbands? administration. the Dems have been pushing this for years. This is not new! It's new to those who have just awaken to the political system! Rep. hated the idea because insurance companies are the new banks. Research Atena's payout vs. investment portfolio. It doesn't balance out. When was the last time you received a rebate check from your health insurance company?
This is not an American issue. We live in an interconnected world. What happens to one nation has an impact on all.
Universal Health care doesn't work on a large scale? Uhmmm... Research and study Nihon's (Japan's real name) Universal Health Care plan. Very productive.
America's issue is diversity and no middle ground. We are all fighting to get our little piece of the pie and screw our fellow American. Dem vs Rep. Black vs. White. Gay vs. Les. Rich vs. Poor. We we've done since 1700's is fight, bicker, and argue. But watch out! Because all the while, China is quietly increasing its hegemony in the world. It?s partnering with Asian and African nations for natural resources and doing so quite well! They surpass Japan's wealth next year. And you don't see any Chinese Mogadishu! - which was over oil. Do your research. They respect the people where they do business. China is also investing enormous amounts in South America. In 15 or 20 years the U.S. won't have to worry amount illegal aliens. All the jobs and wealth will be in South America.
We are moving slowly at becoming a Second Class Country!
I have mixed emotions. I lost my young adulthood, and now my middle age serving my nation - and yet when I retire I have no desire to live in the U.S. Because everyone in the US is worried about self!
My couple, three, four cents...
10-22-2009, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Ruf930' post='1038182' date='Oct 22 2009, 11:33 AM
"The U.S. Constitution does not say democracy" Sure it does! We the people (not dictator or group) in order to form a more prefect union (the US)... Now "we the people" has been replaced by "we the corporation".
Where did you find the quote, "The U.S. Constitution does not say democracy"? I don?t see where the Preamble has the phrase ?not a dictator or group?. What is a prefect union? I don?t see ?we the corporation?.
My credentials don?t come near matching yours but I not some un-caring myrmidon who swallows every bit of drivel that comes his way!
Try again ? copy and paste a sentence or phrase (un-edited) from the Constitution that contains the word Democracy?
If you can?t do that just spend more time on some of your other arguments.
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10-22-2009, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sixcard' post='1038241' date='Oct 22 2009, 06:51 PM
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Try again ? copy and paste a sentence or phrase (un-edited) from the Constitution that contains the word Democracy?
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Try again ? copy and paste a sentence or phrase (un-edited) from the Constitution that contains the word Democracy?
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Guys, don't let this thread become ugly...
10-22-2009, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceman' post='1038374' date='Oct 22 2009, 02:12 PM
It does not CONTAIN the word democracy, but it DESCRIBES it!
I think it describes a representative republic, but that's just me.
10-22-2009, 12:18 PM
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My point is that the U. S. is not a democracy and was never intended to be ... no matter how much you hear or how much you care to revise or interpret the Constitution.
And I consider it a very important distinction.
Sorry if any intent to get ugly is construed.
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And I consider it a very important distinction.
Sorry if any intent to get ugly is construed.
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