F10 worldwide sales - still lagging behind the new E-Class
10-11-2010, 08:01 AM
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You seem to be far from economy and marketing, Pete. That's why I said "COMPETING products". If you regard Ford as Porsche's competitor then I feel pity for you. In this case the 5 Series and E-Class are competitors because they have about the same price and the same functionality. So the sales numbers do tell a lot about which is better. I'm sure that after some time the 5 Series will be the absolute leader in its segment in terms of sales.
10-11-2010, 08:03 AM
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There's a direct relationship between quality and sales numbers if we compare COMPETITORS. If you also consider Ford a competitor to Porsche then nothing remains but to feel pity for you as well.
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One more testimony to the 5 Series superiority.
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It's not that simple, Babken. There are other factors that play a role as well. I think you're equating popularity with quality which is naive. (and if this is the way you think, I pity you, too
) Just because product A is more popular than product B doesn't mean product A is automatically a higher quality product. Inventory, distribution, existing market share, etc. all play a role in sales figures.Ok, so Ford vs. Porsche is a bad example. How about Lexus RX350 vs. BMW X5. These are true competitors. The RX sells in much higher quantities than the X5....so does that mean the BMW is an inferior product to the Lexus? Hell no! You could make the same argument for the X5 vs. Porsche Cayenne.
As I mentioned earlier in other threads, to judge the F10 now, only 3 months into its life cycle, is plain SILLY. Sales figures mean very little as this stage. This is like judging a baseball team (with a historically high winning percentage) only 3 weeks into the baseball season. How silly is that?
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It's not that simple, Babken. There are other factors that play a role as well. I think you're equating popularity with quality which is naive. (and if this is the way you think, I pity you, too ) Just because product A is more popular than product B doesn't mean product A is automatically a higher quality product. Inventory, distribution, existing market share, etc. all play a role in sales figures.
) Just because product A is more popular than product B doesn't mean product A is automatically a higher quality product. Inventory, distribution, existing market share, etc. all play a role in sales figures.But then again, what the heck do I know? BabkenBMW apparently pities those who disagree with him.
So I suppose I am to be pitied. Poor poor me.
10-12-2010, 07:15 AM
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It's not that simple, Babken. There are other factors that play a role as well. I think you're equating popularity with quality which is naive. (and if this is the way you think, I pity you, too ) Just because product A is more popular than product B doesn't mean product A is automatically a higher quality product. Inventory, distribution, existing market share, etc. all play a role in sales figures.
Ok, so Ford vs. Porsche is a bad example. How about Lexus RX350 vs. BMW X5. These are true competitors. The RX sells in much higher quantities than the X5....so does that mean the BMW is an inferior product to the Lexus? Hell no! You could make the same argument for the X5 vs. Porsche Cayenne.
As I mentioned earlier in other threads, to judge the F10 now, only 3 months into its life cycle, is plain SILLY. Sales figures mean very little as this stage. This is like judging a baseball team (with a historically high winning percentage) only 3 weeks into the baseball season. How silly is that?
) Just because product A is more popular than product B doesn't mean product A is automatically a higher quality product. Inventory, distribution, existing market share, etc. all play a role in sales figures.Ok, so Ford vs. Porsche is a bad example. How about Lexus RX350 vs. BMW X5. These are true competitors. The RX sells in much higher quantities than the X5....so does that mean the BMW is an inferior product to the Lexus? Hell no! You could make the same argument for the X5 vs. Porsche Cayenne.
As I mentioned earlier in other threads, to judge the F10 now, only 3 months into its life cycle, is plain SILLY. Sales figures mean very little as this stage. This is like judging a baseball team (with a historically high winning percentage) only 3 weeks into the baseball season. How silly is that?
Again, you make the same mistake. Please don't have such disrespect for BMW X5 by lowering it to the Lexus RX level, because they're not competitors either. The RX costs USD37000-39000 while the X5 costs USD46000-58000. I repeat: in order to be competitors the products should have the same functionality (properties) and be priced about the same.
As for the F10, I haven't ever neglect such circumstances as the initial life-cycle period. And I repeat one more thing: if one competitor beats the other in terms of sales given all the other conditions equal which is the case between BMW and Mercedes-Benz, than, yes, it's better.
10-12-2010, 08:39 AM
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This is still retarded cuz youre comparing a class of car that offers a 2 door as well?! Do u not realize that bro? Why not lump the 6 series figures in there to make it fair.
Seriously stupid IMO
Seriously stupid IMO
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Again, you make the same mistake. Please don't have such disrespect for BMW X5 by lowering it to the Lexus RX level, because they're not competitors either. The RX costs USD37000-39000 while the X5 costs USD46000-58000. I repeat: in order to be competitors the products should have the same functionality (properties) and be priced about the same.
As for the F10, I haven't ever neglect such circumstances as the initial life-cycle period. And I repeat one more thing: if one competitor beats the other in terms of sales given all the other conditions equal which is the case between BMW and Mercedes-Benz, than, yes, it's better.
Again, you make the same mistake. Please don't have such disrespect for BMW X5 by lowering it to the Lexus RX level, because they're not competitors either. The RX costs USD37000-39000 while the X5 costs USD46000-58000. I repeat: in order to be competitors the products should have the same functionality (properties) and be priced about the same.
As for the F10, I haven't ever neglect such circumstances as the initial life-cycle period. And I repeat one more thing: if one competitor beats the other in terms of sales given all the other conditions equal which is the case between BMW and Mercedes-Benz, than, yes, it's better.
You're the one making mistakes, my little friend. Of course the RX350 is a competitor to the X5. They are BOTH mid-size luxury SUV's. The main reason why the X5 exists in the first place is because back in 2000, BMW decided they needed a competitor to the wildly successful RX300 which was launched in 1998. I think you need to research your cars a little better.
BTW, price difference isn't that great a factor in determining which car is a rival or not. As an example, the Acura TSX/TL and Infiniti G37 are considered rivals to the 3 series yet they cost $6K-$10K+ less.
As for your continual assessment that popularity equals quality, again it's flawed. You keep saying if all other conditions being the same.....well it's NOT the same. The current E-Class came out more than a year BEFORE before the F10 was launched. The E-class also comes in sedan, AWD, AMG, coupe, convertible, wagon, and diesel. The F10 only comes in sedan and AWD which is only now available. As a result, there is no way you can compare the 2 cars in terms of sales at this point in time....because it's MEANINGLESS!
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10-13-2010, 08:51 AM
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You're the one making mistakes, my little friend. Of course the RX350 is a competitor to the X5. They are BOTH mid-size luxury SUV's. The main reason why the X5 exists in the first place is because back in 2000, BMW decided they needed a competitor to the wildly successful RX300 which was launched in 1998. I think you need to research your cars a little better.
BTW, price difference isn't that great a factor in determining which car is a rival or not. As an example, the Acura TSX/TL and Infiniti G37 are considered rivals to the 3 series yet they cost $6K-$10K+ less.
As for your continual assessment that popularity equals quality, again it's flawed. You keep saying if all other conditions being the same.....well it's NOT the same. The current E-Class came out more than a year BEFORE before the F10 was launched. The E-class also comes in sedan, AWD, AMG, coupe, convertible, wagon, and diesel. The F10 only comes in sedan and AWD which is only now available. As a result, there is no way you can compare the 2 cars in terms of sales at this point in time....because it's MEANINGLESS!
BTW, price difference isn't that great a factor in determining which car is a rival or not. As an example, the Acura TSX/TL and Infiniti G37 are considered rivals to the 3 series yet they cost $6K-$10K+ less.
As for your continual assessment that popularity equals quality, again it's flawed. You keep saying if all other conditions being the same.....well it's NOT the same. The current E-Class came out more than a year BEFORE before the F10 was launched. The E-class also comes in sedan, AWD, AMG, coupe, convertible, wagon, and diesel. The F10 only comes in sedan and AWD which is only now available. As a result, there is no way you can compare the 2 cars in terms of sales at this point in time....because it's MEANINGLESS!
As for the 5 Series vs E-Class competition, can you point out to any of my comments where I said that I compare the whole E-Class line-up sales with the F10 sedan? You won't be able to find such a message. Instead I compare the sedan versions. And the E-Class beats the 5 Series, though I expect to see other kind of results soon.
Next time before making a statement, Pete, think about it.