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Originally Posted by Rudy' post='528890' date='Feb 8 2008, 11:18 AM
I can see how the tracking device can be controversial and I personally am on the fence about whether or not it's a good idea. Tracking kids with a GPS device clearly has both pros and cons but I think it still comes down to many other variables/factors and only a parent can decide what's the best approach for their kids.
As far as prevention of the Ocala M5 tragedy, in case anyone missed my idea about a possible solution, take a look at this post from another thread:
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?s=&sho...st&p=523760
As far as prevention of the Ocala M5 tragedy, in case anyone missed my idea about a possible solution, take a look at this post from another thread:
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?s=&sho...st&p=523760
What would the GPS have done aside from letting the parents know what part of the woods the front of the car had landed?
How about not buying your kids an M5? I'm sorry, but this tragedy could have been avoided with a little comon sense on the part of the parents. I have children, and I can barely imagine what these poor people are going through, but come on!
"Happy 18th birthday son! here's 500hp car. I know you'll be responsible and never wonder what it can really do... oh yeah, and stay off the empty air strip."
Frankly, I would have been on that airstrip myself.
The result of this will be a grieving mothers coalition being formed to loby congress to legislate the available power on cars.
The government must protect us!
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Originally Posted by gene1' post='528960' date='Feb 8 2008, 02:11 PM
What would the GPS have done aside from letting the parents know what part of the woods the front of the car had landed?
How about not buying your kids an M5? I'm sorry, but this tragedy could have been avoided with a little comon sense on the part of the parents. I have children, and I can barely imagine what these poor people are going through, but come on!
"Happy 18th birthday son! here's 500hp car. I know you'll be responsible and never wonder what it can really do... oh yeah, and stay off the empty air strip."
Frankly, I would have been on that airstrip myself.
The result of this will be a grieving mothers coalition being formed to loby congress to legislate the available power on cars.
The government must protect us!
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How about not buying your kids an M5? I'm sorry, but this tragedy could have been avoided with a little comon sense on the part of the parents. I have children, and I can barely imagine what these poor people are going through, but come on!
"Happy 18th birthday son! here's 500hp car. I know you'll be responsible and never wonder what it can really do... oh yeah, and stay off the empty air strip."
Frankly, I would have been on that airstrip myself.
The result of this will be a grieving mothers coalition being formed to loby congress to legislate the available power on cars.
The government must protect us!
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I still agree that an inexperienced and immature kid should not have been given access to a 500HP M5 -- unless the M5 had some sort of parental controls as I suggested before...
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such a situation wouldnt have been controlled in the UK with parental controls as at 18 you are old enough to be a legal adult, and drink.
There has been talk of adopting USA type inexperienced driver controls such as curfews, not driving with other kids in the car, etc. Doesnt the state of Florida have these controls, or had he gone past the limitation period?
The main limiting factor in the UK is driver insurance. My 520d for a 48 year old, no accident or conviction is ?330 - approx $670. To add my 19 year old son, clear license and record, full license for 2 1/2 years takes the insurance to ?8000 (Approx $16500!!!!!!!!!)
I see on forums many mentions of 16 year olds driving miata sports, and other lareg engine cars - dont you have similar expensive insurance issues in the states or are all these people 'moneyed up'
There has been talk of adopting USA type inexperienced driver controls such as curfews, not driving with other kids in the car, etc. Doesnt the state of Florida have these controls, or had he gone past the limitation period?
The main limiting factor in the UK is driver insurance. My 520d for a 48 year old, no accident or conviction is ?330 - approx $670. To add my 19 year old son, clear license and record, full license for 2 1/2 years takes the insurance to ?8000 (Approx $16500!!!!!!!!!)
I see on forums many mentions of 16 year olds driving miata sports, and other lareg engine cars - dont you have similar expensive insurance issues in the states or are all these people 'moneyed up'
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Originally Posted by steve_gus' post='529182' date='Feb 9 2008, 06:52 AM
such a situation wouldnt have been controlled in the UK with parental controls as at 18 you are old enough to be a legal adult, and drink.
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Originally Posted by steve_gus' post='529182' date='Feb 9 2008, 06:52 AM
I see on forums many mentions of 16 year olds driving miata sports, and other lareg engine cars - dont you have similar expensive insurance issues in the states or are all these people 'moneyed up'
But to be fair, it's really not known whether the car was the kid's or his father's. The kid claimed it was his. He was obviously driving it. But it was registered under his father's name.
In any event, I think it's hard to criticize anyone going through a loss like this. None of us know the true circumstances. We only know the very, very tragic results. RIP.
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Originally Posted by hinckley' post='529245' date='Feb 9 2008, 11:53 AM
If you can afford to buy your son an M5, I'm sure that you can afford the insurance.
But to be fair, it's really not known whether the car was the kid's or his father's. The kid claimed it was his. He was obviously driving it. But it was registered under his father's name.
In any event, I think it's hard to criticize anyone going through a loss like this. None of us know the true circumstances. We only know the very, very tragic results. RIP.
But to be fair, it's really not known whether the car was the kid's or his father's. The kid claimed it was his. He was obviously driving it. But it was registered under his father's name.
In any event, I think it's hard to criticize anyone going through a loss like this. None of us know the true circumstances. We only know the very, very tragic results. RIP.
Although it was confirmed that the car was registered in the father's name, I don't see why that makes much of a difference here. If the father bought the car for the kid, that was a mistake. If the father gave the keys to the kid to use "his" car, that was also a mistake. If the kid took the keys without the father's knowledge, that's unfortunate. In all cases, having the parental controls built into the car would have possibly prevented such a tragedy...
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Originally Posted by Rudy' post='529242' date='Feb 9 2008, 04:51 PM
I don't understand what you're saying -- just because my child turns 18 and is considered an adult does not mean I have to turn off the parental controls on my M5, regardless of what country I live in... ![Confused](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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What you might allow your adult or otherwise son to do with YOUR car would be in your domain as you are lending YOUR car on conditions for the loan of that car. If he breaks them, he doesnt get it a second time.
If my son speeds in his car, i cant ground him..... he is 19 and its his car - the law would define that as false imprisonment. As it is, he has a car suitable for his experience and hes far more sensible than i am.
Where I live, Josh could have done what he did without any legal parental control. Just as he could have done on his 21st birthday in Florida
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Originally Posted by steve_gus' post='529326' date='Feb 9 2008, 05:37 PM
my point is, Josh inferred in his posts on the other site that it was HIS M5. And, in my local law, if Josh was my son, I would have had no ability to implement a parental restriction. 18 is an adult here.
What you might allow your adult or otherwise son to do with YOUR car would be in your domain as you are lending YOUR car on conditions for the loan of that car. If he breaks them, he doesnt get it a second time.
If my son speeds in his car, i cant ground him..... he is 19 and its his car - the law would define that as false imprisonment. As it is, he has a car suitable for his experience and hes far more sensible than i am.
Where I live, Josh could have done what he did without any legal parental control. Just as he could have done on his 21st birthday in Florida
What you might allow your adult or otherwise son to do with YOUR car would be in your domain as you are lending YOUR car on conditions for the loan of that car. If he breaks them, he doesnt get it a second time.
If my son speeds in his car, i cant ground him..... he is 19 and its his car - the law would define that as false imprisonment. As it is, he has a car suitable for his experience and hes far more sensible than i am.
Where I live, Josh could have done what he did without any legal parental control. Just as he could have done on his 21st birthday in Florida
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Originally Posted by steve_gus' post='529326' date='Feb 9 2008, 05:37 PM
my point is, Josh inferred in his posts on the other site that it was HIS M5. And, in my local law, if Josh was my son, I would have had no ability to implement a parental restriction. 18 is an adult here.
What you might allow your adult or otherwise son to do with YOUR car would be in your domain as you are lending YOUR car on conditions for the loan of that car. If he breaks them, he doesnt get it a second time.
If my son speeds in his car, i cant ground him..... he is 19 and its his car - the law would define that as false imprisonment. As it is, he has a car suitable for his experience and hes far more sensible than i am.
Where I live, Josh could have done what he did without any legal parental control. Just as he could have done on his 21st birthday in Florida
What you might allow your adult or otherwise son to do with YOUR car would be in your domain as you are lending YOUR car on conditions for the loan of that car. If he breaks them, he doesnt get it a second time.
If my son speeds in his car, i cant ground him..... he is 19 and its his car - the law would define that as false imprisonment. As it is, he has a car suitable for his experience and hes far more sensible than i am.
Where I live, Josh could have done what he did without any legal parental control. Just as he could have done on his 21st birthday in Florida
It's very similar to the "as long as you live under my roof, you have to obey my rules -- regardless of your age" deal that many parents tell their "adult" children...
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So Sad.
What an unfortunate incident. My thoughts and prayers are with the families.
What an unfortunate incident. My thoughts and prayers are with the families.