Transmission Slam. IT IS BACK!
06-10-2009, 01:03 PM
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This is the complaint I have. I had access to this SIB and I took it to the dealer with me on my last visit. They did do the reprogramming, but the problem came back soon thereafter.
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and cannot be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC ? Neutral Idle Control) calibration
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E9x vehicles - E89x-07-06-520 or lower
On E6x N54 vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
On E60 N52K vehicles ? E060-08-03-550 or lower
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and cannot be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC ? Neutral Idle Control) calibration
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E9x vehicles - E89x-07-06-520 or lower
On E6x N54 vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
On E60 N52K vehicles ? E060-08-03-550 or lower
06-10-2009, 01:48 PM
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and you have been where during the numerous tranny slam discussions?
Originally Posted by cobradav' post='906813' date='Jun 10 2009, 11:41 AM
You have a transmission control chip called EGS much like your DME that manages the engine. In fact they communicate with each other and often times the software update may be to both units. Software fixes to either or both would control shift points (up or down) at certain RPM, certain lateral accelerations (ABS sensor), braking force, hill holding, etc. It is a "managed" process and requires .
There are slams, clunks, bumps, etc that occur at different times/events for different issues/symptoms. I'll point to a couple here and let you sort out your own:
1)
SI B 24 08 08
Automatic Transmission December 2008
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 08 08 dated October 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
E62, E70 with 6HP19TU - Transmission Clunks after Engine Start
MODEL
E60, E61 with N52K or N54 and 6HP19TU produced from 03/07 up to 09/08
E70 (X5 3.0) with N52K and 6HP19TU produced from 12/06 up to 10/08
SITUATION
The customer may complain about a clunking noise heard from the transmission, sometimes accompanied by a "bang", felt in the rear of the vehicle after engine start-up. This complaint can be intermittently reproduced when the transmission is in the P position (the noise and/or jolt does not occur when the selector gear is placed in N).
CAUSE
EGS software calibration in regards to the transmission self-check test on the engine start
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E60, E61 vehicles - E060-08-03-550 or lower
On E70 vehicles ? E070-08-05-525 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (V31.1 or higher). The target integration levels are E060-08-09-520 or E070-08-09-520, respectively, for E60, E61 and E70 vehicles.
2)
SI B 24 03 09
Automatic Transmission April 2009
Technical Service
SUBJECT
550i and 650i with N62TU and 6HP26 - Various Drivability Complaints
MODEL
E60, 550iA produced from 09/05 up to 02/07
E63, E64; 650i produced from 09/05 up to 09/07
SITUATION
The customer may complain about one or a combination of the following situations, listed below:
Intermittent harsh 4-3, 3-2 or 2-1 downshift (jolt) when coming to a stop with light brake application.
Jolts and/or jerks felt when reaccelerating after coasting.
Judder when gently accelerating (most noticeable at an engine speed below 2,000 RPM).
CAUSE
DME and EGS software calibration
SOLUTION
Program the vehicle with ISTA/P 2.33.0 or later, using the path "Conversion" and "Downshift behavior". After this modification, the k-word "HADS" will be added to the Vehicle Order.
Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do not have the latest software.
and 3)
SI B 24 03 08
Automatic Transmission January 2009
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 03 08 dated July 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
E9x, E6x with 6HP19TU - Jolt and Delay when Pulling Away
MODEL
E90, E92, E93 (335i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07
E60, E61 (535i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07
E60 (528i) with N52K and 6HP19TU from 03/07
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and cannot be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC ? Neutral Idle Control) calibration
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E9x vehicles - E89x-07-06-520 or lower
On E6x N54 vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
On E60 N52K vehicles ? E060-08-03-550 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (target levels are E89x-07-09-518; E060-08-03-510; and E060-08-09-520, respectively, for E9x, E6x N54 and E6x N52K vehicles).
Important Note:
The NIC (Neutral Idle Control) feature disengages the torque converter from the transmission when the vehicle is stationary in the Drive position; the service brakes are applied; and the engine is still in the warm-up phase. The NIC function eliminates engine load when vehicle is stopped, reducing fuel consumption.
Although the EGS software changes (as listed above) are improving transmission comfort feel while still providing the benefits of the NIC feature, they still may not be acceptable for the most discriminating customers.
In such a case, on a customer complaint basis only, deactivate the NIC function by performing the "Converter lockup clutch" retrofit, using the current Progman/ISTA P version.
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
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There are slams, clunks, bumps, etc that occur at different times/events for different issues/symptoms. I'll point to a couple here and let you sort out your own:
1)
SI B 24 08 08
Automatic Transmission December 2008
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 08 08 dated October 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
E62, E70 with 6HP19TU - Transmission Clunks after Engine Start
MODEL
E60, E61 with N52K or N54 and 6HP19TU produced from 03/07 up to 09/08
E70 (X5 3.0) with N52K and 6HP19TU produced from 12/06 up to 10/08
SITUATION
The customer may complain about a clunking noise heard from the transmission, sometimes accompanied by a "bang", felt in the rear of the vehicle after engine start-up. This complaint can be intermittently reproduced when the transmission is in the P position (the noise and/or jolt does not occur when the selector gear is placed in N).
CAUSE
EGS software calibration in regards to the transmission self-check test on the engine start
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E60, E61 vehicles - E060-08-03-550 or lower
On E70 vehicles ? E070-08-05-525 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (V31.1 or higher). The target integration levels are E060-08-09-520 or E070-08-09-520, respectively, for E60, E61 and E70 vehicles.
2)
SI B 24 03 09
Automatic Transmission April 2009
Technical Service
SUBJECT
550i and 650i with N62TU and 6HP26 - Various Drivability Complaints
MODEL
E60, 550iA produced from 09/05 up to 02/07
E63, E64; 650i produced from 09/05 up to 09/07
SITUATION
The customer may complain about one or a combination of the following situations, listed below:
Intermittent harsh 4-3, 3-2 or 2-1 downshift (jolt) when coming to a stop with light brake application.
Jolts and/or jerks felt when reaccelerating after coasting.
Judder when gently accelerating (most noticeable at an engine speed below 2,000 RPM).
CAUSE
DME and EGS software calibration
SOLUTION
Program the vehicle with ISTA/P 2.33.0 or later, using the path "Conversion" and "Downshift behavior". After this modification, the k-word "HADS" will be added to the Vehicle Order.
Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do not have the latest software.
and 3)
SI B 24 03 08
Automatic Transmission January 2009
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 03 08 dated July 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
E9x, E6x with 6HP19TU - Jolt and Delay when Pulling Away
MODEL
E90, E92, E93 (335i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07
E60, E61 (535i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07
E60 (528i) with N52K and 6HP19TU from 03/07
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and cannot be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC ? Neutral Idle Control) calibration
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E9x vehicles - E89x-07-06-520 or lower
On E6x N54 vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
On E60 N52K vehicles ? E060-08-03-550 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (target levels are E89x-07-09-518; E060-08-03-510; and E060-08-09-520, respectively, for E9x, E6x N54 and E6x N52K vehicles).
Important Note:
The NIC (Neutral Idle Control) feature disengages the torque converter from the transmission when the vehicle is stationary in the Drive position; the service brakes are applied; and the engine is still in the warm-up phase. The NIC function eliminates engine load when vehicle is stopped, reducing fuel consumption.
Although the EGS software changes (as listed above) are improving transmission comfort feel while still providing the benefits of the NIC feature, they still may not be acceptable for the most discriminating customers.
In such a case, on a customer complaint basis only, deactivate the NIC function by performing the "Converter lockup clutch" retrofit, using the current Progman/ISTA P version.
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
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06-10-2009, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Krozi' post='906747' date='Jun 10 2009, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by craigm1841' post='907116' date='Jun 10 2009, 05:49 PM
GM could REALLY use a stupid stunt from Oprah right about now!
06-10-2009, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_NJ' post='907120' date='Jun 10 2009, 05:50 PM
For what it's worth she should dig up some change she dropped down the back of her sofa and buy the company.
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My Ride: '05 545 Titanium Silver, Black Leather - Nav, Logic 7, Cold weather.
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M5 iDrive knob.
Umnitza license plate LEDs.
MP3
40% 3M tint
ACS Anti-Roll(sway) bars
RPI Scoop
G-tech Pro RR
CF Roundels
CF Wheel caps
Originally Posted by craigm1841' post='907123' date='Jun 10 2009, 05:51 PM
actually, for the price of a GM share, i was thinking of buying myself a seat on the board.
Sorry off topic!
06-10-2009, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_NJ' post='907130' date='Jun 10 2009, 05:56 PM
The seat itself would be worth more!
Sorry off topic!
Sorry off topic!
06-10-2009, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by craigm1841' post='907114' date='Jun 10 2009, 05:48 PM
and you have been where during the numerous tranny slam discussions?
06-10-2009, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ENstig8or' post='907074' date='Jun 10 2009, 05:03 PM
This is the complaint I have. I had access to this SIB and I took it to the dealer with me on my last visit. They did do the reprogramming, but the problem came back soon thereafter.
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and cannot be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC ? Neutral Idle Control) calibration
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E9x vehicles - E89x-07-06-520 or lower
On E6x N54 vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
On E60 N52K vehicles ? E060-08-03-550 or lower
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and cannot be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC ? Neutral Idle Control) calibration
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
On E9x vehicles - E89x-07-06-520 or lower
On E6x N54 vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
On E60 N52K vehicles ? E060-08-03-550 or lower
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