Me too -- I'm out...

 

I think what I wrote makes sense given the hypothetical I thought he was asking about. But, I see why my reply confused you.
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Sorry, vnod, but I, too, can't understand what you were trying to say.
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Darn, I must be a explanation challenged. OK, assume he is a very average driver and his car its giving erroneous oil change times--e.g., saying an oil change is needed with only 1k miles and 1 mo. on the car. Then, you will understand perfectly. OK, maybe ....
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Oh...hmm...no...I wasn't asking about if the car was erroneous....but thanks for trying to answer my question!

Now we can delete this thread so no one else gets confused?

 

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Me too -- I'm out...
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I think what I wrote makes sense given the hypothetical I thought he was asking about. But, I see why my reply confused you.
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Sorry, vnod, but I, too, can't understand what you were trying to say.
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Darn, I must be a explanation challenged. OK, assume he is a very average driver and his car its giving erroneous oil change times--e.g., saying an oil change is needed with only 1k miles and 1 mo. on the car. Then, you will understand perfectly. OK, maybe ....
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Oh...hmm...no...I wasn't asking about if the car was erroneous....but thanks for trying to answer my question!

Now we can delete this thread so no one else gets confused?
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Thanks. I was sort of deranged last night after our holiday visit/good chaos/driving back to Phoenix. But, Ok, I am not sure if anyone actually answered your first question. The miles displayed are the miles your car thinks you need to go until your next oil change. Assuming your car is telling the truth , then the oil change will be free to you. However, if your car is lying or is simply misquided, then .... Well, I guess you already know the answer to that. But, Rudy and Stream don't. to them.

 

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I think what I wrote makes sense given the hypothetical I thought he was asking about. But, I see why my reply confused you.
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Sorry, vnod, but I, too, can't understand what you were trying to say.
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Darn, I must be a explanation challenged. OK, assume he is a very average driver and his car its giving erroneous oil change times--e.g., saying an oil change is needed with only 1k miles and 1 mo. on the car. Then, you will understand perfectly. OK, maybe ....
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Oh...hmm...no...I wasn't asking about if the car was erroneous....but thanks for trying to answer my question!

Now we can delete this thread so no one else gets confused?
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Thanks. I was sort of deranged last night after our holiday visit/good chaos/driving back to Phoenix. But, Ok, I am not sure if anyone actually answered your first question. The miles displayed are the miles your car thinks you need to go until your next oil change. Assuming your car is telling the truth , then the oil change will be free to you. However, if your car is lying or is simply misquided, then .... Well, I guess you already know the answer to that. But, Rudy and Stream don't. to them.
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vnod,

Rudy and Stream are absolutely right, i think you've perhaps misunderstood a couple of things about the servicing.

The miles displayed at startup is the mileage until the next *event* likely to occur under the condition based service. That may or may not be an oil change. My car shows 9000 right now, which is actually the distance until my front brake pads need replacing. My oil change isn't due for over 10,000 miles at this point. You can verify the mileage until the next service event in the service menu on i-drive.

The other thing is that the only time the maintenance "schedule" in the manual is relevant is if the time based schedule (e.g. change oil every X miles OR 12 months) occurs sooner than a condition based service. Whichever event comes first is when the service is needed and it will be free. Time (i.e. 12 months for oil) can override the condition based service schedule if you don't do enough miles in a year for the car to decide it needs the oil change. It's nothing to do with a hypothetical or average driver - your car is the primary determining factor in what needs to be done, and whenever or whatever that is, it should be free. The exception is if the owner wants an oil change etc before either a condition or time based event occurs - e.g. a mid cycle oil change that many owners like to do - in these cases that would be paid by the owner. Anything else, and it would be whichever happens FIRST out of a condition or a time based service interval, is free. So if your car did flag that it needed oil changes every 1000 miles as in the example on an earlier post, they would be free. As would the repair for the oil leak causing such frequent changes...

 

swajames, I would think that the CBS would take time into account as well. If the car sat around for a year with low mileage, I think it will still flag things as due...

 

I think what I wrote makes sense given the hypothetical I thought he was asking about. But, I see why my reply confused you.
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Sorry, vnod, but I, too, can't understand what you were trying to say.
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Darn, I must be a explanation challenged. OK, assume he is a very average driver and his car its giving erroneous oil change times--e.g., saying an oil change is needed with only 1k miles and 1 mo. on the car. Then, you will understand perfectly. OK, maybe ....
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Oh...hmm...no...I wasn't asking about if the car was erroneous....but thanks for trying to answer my question!

Now we can delete this thread so no one else gets confused?
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Thanks. I was sort of deranged last night after our holiday visit/good chaos/driving back to Phoenix. But, Ok, I am not sure if anyone actually answered your first question. The miles displayed are the miles your car thinks you need to go until your next oil change. Assuming your car is telling the truth , then the oil change will be free to you. However, if your car is lying or is simply misquided, then .... Well, I guess you already know the answer to that. But, Rudy and Stream don't. to them.
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vnod,

Rudy and Stream are absolutely right, i think you've perhaps misunderstood a couple of things about the servicing.

The miles displayed at startup is the mileage until the next *event* likely to occur under the condition based service. That may or may not be an oil change. My car shows 9000 right now, which is actually the distance until my front brake pads need replacing. My oil change isn't due for over 10,000 miles at this point. You can verify the mileage until the next service event in the service menu on i-drive.


Hi swaja:

I was talking about the milage dispayed specifically when I look at "Oil." I missed the target again. But, yes, you are right about the start-up dispaly.

The other thing is that the only time the maintenance "schedule" in the manual is relevant is if the time based schedule (e.g. change oil every X miles OR 12 months) occurs sooner than a condition based service. Whichever event comes first is when the service is needed and it will be free. Time (i.e. 12 months for oil) can override the condition based service schedule if you don't do enough miles in a year for the car to decide it needs the oil change.

Well, maybe, but my car seems to be estimating the miles that I will do in a year (less than 15k) and indicating that an oil change will be needed at less than 15k (specifically about 10k)--at the 1 year point. I am not sure if it will say "change your oil" precisely at the end of one year though. If it does, then the schedule in the service booklet would not come into play as you indicate.


It's nothing to do with a hypothetical or average driver - your car is the primary determining factor in what needs to be done, and whenever or whatever that is, it should be free. The exception is if the owner wants an oil change etc before either a condition or time based event occurs - e.g. a mid cycle oil change that many owners like to do - in these cases that would be paid by the owner.

Definitely.

Anything else, and it would be whichever happens FIRST out of a condition or a time based service interval, is free. So if your car did flag that it needed oil changes every 1000 miles as in the example on an earlier post, they would be free. As would the repair for the oil leak causing such frequent changes...

Well, except, that you would not get an oil change. You would get a top-off occasioned by a malfunction. That's different. In this regard, the car would signal "low oil" not "oil change."

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Agreed.

 

Rudy, I would have thought so too, but I'm sure I've seen posts on here where owners had to use the 12 month timeframe as the reason to make the dealer perform the oil change under the maintenance plan because the dealer wanted to rely on the car's CBS and initially refused to cover it as free maintainance.

 

Rudy, I would have thought so too, but I'm sure I've seen posts on here where owners had to use the 12 month timeframe as the reason to make the dealer perform the oil change under the maintenance plan because the dealer wanted to rely on the car's CBS and initially refused to cover it as free maintainance.
[/quote]I have seen that sort of post too. If true, then it may illustrate a case where the car is "misquided" in what it is saying, and the printed schedule overrides. But, I am not sure what the car is supposed to do. I'll find out in 6 mos. and post back.