Damn man, I may even move to where you're at! Can you imagine the savings in the next five years? Premium is at $3.89 as of yesterday. ... i don't even know or care about today really. I think today is Sunday but not even sure of that. I know the weekend wasn't long enough.

 

+1 - meaning put me on the kia list. I'll drive one all day long and ditch the BMW. I'll feel better giving my money away

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Originally Posted by tuffluck

oh, and not that its any of your business what i personally make or why someone would own a bmw with a 25k salary (maybe their parents bought it for them?), but that was a hypothetical scenario nonetheless.

No need to explain as you've already done enough with numbers thus far. But see with this specific post you're leaving out some variables. For instance someone may look at that salary and their eyes would open...others may be on the same level... all depends where you live. I had my current employer offer me the same position in California. I told them even if they increased my current salary by 112% it would not even be considered as 112% is the bottom line for consideration only!Anyway, like I originally said, I've been driving these machines for 10 yrs now and I never had a problem with 89, of course, off and on that is....I swear I've seen more MPG on regular and at times it responded better... perhaps that other poster was right. We're getting duped on the 'tag' of the gasoline. Probably the same stuff 89 or 93

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Originally Posted by tuffluck

but i said it from the start i don't care to hear what bmw recommends, nor do people need to keep insisting that they don't understand how a bmw owner would be cheap. i'm cheap because i don't like my bmw and don't plan to own it much longer. period. if that isn't good enough reason, go back to #1 and #2 and then stop your bitching. it's not any of your business why i choose to run my car with KY jelly if i so choose to do so. and i'm really, really sorry if it makes other bmw owners feel cheap or unworthy. my bad.

/rant (for now)

LOL. Thanks for making me laugh before I retire for the evening. +1 on this... BMW can kiss my arse. I am sure you all know my opinion on MANY other posts. I only keep it because it's a love/hate relationship. I don't have really any problems with it but if i get 13k for it, i'll spend 1K on a little beater truck and probably donate 5K take the other 6K and stuff it away for a rainy day. Hopefully I'm over the mini-14 and AR-15 days or that could vanish quickly in the form of gunpowder smoke.

 

Seems like you had your mind made up before ou started this thread. And here's a thought, you ever think that maybe the previous owner of your car thought just like you do now and disregarded all BMW's recommendations? Resulting in the problems you now have and plan to pass onto the next unlucky person to get a car from you?

You've already written of the car so obviously you don't care. When it comes to this gas argument, the amount of savings isn't enough in my opinion to warrant all this testing and discussion sitting in a car that retailed for 70k new. I'd just skip going out to eat ONE evening and bam, all your gas savings right there, now you can run premium gas and live with yourself.

If you're gonna cheap out on gas, and blow off what BMW says, why stop there? Go get those cheapo tires, go for that cheap oil, stretch out your service intervals waaaaaay past what your idrive says, source cheap aftermarket parts to save a buck or two, because after all, 100 years of research got nothing on what you "think" right? You put 87 in your tank and the car still started, BMW must be wrong!!!!!

 

The only people that are stupid are the consumers, thinking it actually cost whatever is the retail price. That's rubbish. We create the demand for their falsely created supply. When you work out the numbers you will find that the variables are the minds and most of the price of the vehicles in question here have to go into the "image" they want to portray. BMW is far behind when it comes to vehicles. packed full of electronics that serve little purpose. Of course nowadays all cars have the same or similar electronically driven parts but you do not hear about them often. Why? because they don't FAIL often. I mean come on, is it so hard nowadays to make a PC that is readily accessible? I have seen Kia accessed via WIFI just like an iPhone and BMW? Lol...not even a touchscreen while I retrofitted my wifes E46 with a touchscreen that offers full ipod interface, bluetooth, 3D navigation w/ night vision, HDD driven, CD, DVD player while in motion, SD card, Aux out....all for about $500.

And where is BMW in all this???? BMW have been known for their engines and you'll see many 80's BMW on the road today. Will you see an E60 in the next 10 yrs....I doubt it.

Not the best resolution and I apologize for all the green but I live on a golf course..AND I think golf is the most senseless of sports I've ever seen. LOL. And start on the steering wheel. I have big hands and I cannot drive the car with the little wheel..and I refuse to take it off and put it on when I take her car during the week. She doesn't mind so neither should you.

BMW needs to put their $ where their mouths are. Don't talk about it, be about it. After 10 yrs with BMW this will be my last BMW. Well at least until I convince my wife to go with a little Mazda or unless i find another BMW at a crazy price/deal etc...
Sure, nothing handles like it but it's not worth what they offer. They continue to spend money to brainwash people and people continue to buy and feed the beast. it's a cycle that will probably continue for a very long time. As long as there is one person out there that is like "Oh wow a BMW? It's so expensive Though!" the image still continues to exist. i am sure their cycle will be critically challenged by a hungry competitor in the near future which will rip BMW wide open.

 

now you're just being dumb. there is definitive proof that certain oils break down quicker than others, causing more extreme internal damage as they break down. tires is an obvious one, no one wants to slide off the road at 80mpg because they have cheapo tires.

research shows the only downside to lower octane gas is that your engine could start knocking. research also shows that bmw's knock sensors are very adept and compensate quite effectively.

pretty sure that is the same engine i have. looks like the argument is kind of moot now, including the article i posted where a bmw executive concurred with this above statement. bmw doesn't even argue 87 octane, only some on a message board do

sounds a lot like the antagonists here need to shut their pie holes if you ask me

 

+1 just doesn't make sense to me either. Read between the lines.To each his own.
cheers
vern

 

haha, i still think it's funny some of you guys want to target the "being cheap" argument, and yet no one even wants to comment on the fact that i got 5-6 more mpg on 87 octane gas.

how can anyone argue that 93 is better for my car?

 

vern, if i got a nickel for every worthless post you posted in this thread, i'd have enough money to switch back to 93 octane for a year.

 

People haven't commented because this is not a forum for cheapo's so most here just run the premium and be done with it, we knew what we got into when we bought the car. And plus you have no hard evidence that you're getting better mgg, except for your words. A drive back and fourth means nothing because if you REALLY want a controlled study, conditions and driving style have to be EXACT for both runs. Other than that, who knows. Everything else is just an estimate.

So do what works for you, just don't make it seem like you've debunked and exposed BMW and we're all being duped into using premium, BMW doesn't get kickbacks everytime we fill up.

This argument has been had many times before you and will continue until the end of time right along with the which oil is better threads and the like.

 

i mean really, what are you arguing is cheap? we have proof right here and right now that bmw says 87 octane is acceptable right along with 93 octane. and on top of that, i happen to get better mpg (on 93 i got 28 as a best in 9 months, don't tell me 33 is a fluke, controlled or not). combine those two pieces of information, and that says to me using 87 is not being cheap, that's being smart (in my situation). so basically, you're saying one is being cheap for not doing anything wrong, but saving money. what a profound statement.

the reality is that bmw has both said use 93 and use 87, so why are you only believing 93 is what they really meant? because they advertise it more, because your owner's manual from 2007 says 93 even though someone else's owner's manual from 2009 says 87 is okay? it's just illogical for you, or vern, or anyone to condemn other people because you cannot push past your fear of disobeying corporate advertisement.

this sounds a lot like a religious argument, no offense. one person says this isn't true and we have some proof, the other person says we don't believe your proof, we have more proof and faith that bmw was right when they said 93.