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Old 06-14-2006, 06:22 AM
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Hi I have searched for info but can?t find why is 19" wheels recomended over 20" from BMW
Some tuners have 20" and others dont
And why do M5 and B5 have 19" and not 20"
1: Is it lighter and perform and handels better
2: To big for the fenders and could couse rubbing
3: Could it affect comfort
4: Could performance be affected due too slowly acceleration and topspeed
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I think mainly comfort
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none, it is just BMW does not recommended.

Hartge, ACS, HAMANN and others offer 20-21" in 20" unless you have the FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20 it will not rub, whenever I will finaly have mine the rear and only those have to be rolled, but will be done by specialists you can imagine As comfort concerned if you do not wanna fly over roadbumps there is no issue, the comfort and the speed is perfect!
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IMO, 20's are inferior to 19's on a regular 5er in all ways except possibly looks--and that is debateable. 20's are losers from a performance perspective in all ways unless a car is designed for them--acceleration slower, handling worse, feel worse, and braking worse. They also cost more. If I had it to do over, I'd stick with 18's and a higher profile tire than my 19" PS2's for comfort--not that the PS2's are particularly uncomfortable.
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the bigger the wheel, the heavier it is

ever notice how race cars don't have big wheels?
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I think I will go for 19" becouse the comfort and performance. I cant remember but as znod said breaking and handling perfomance will be affected whith 20"
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='297362' date='Jun 14 2006, 03:54 PM
IMO, 20's are inferior to 19's on a regular 5er in all ways except possibly looks--and that is debateable. 20's are losers from a performance perspective in all ways unless a car is designed for them--acceleration slower, handling worse, feel worse, and braking worse. They also cost more. If I had it to do over, I'd stick with 18's and a higher profile tire than my 19" PS2's for comfort--not that the PS2's are particularly uncomfortable.
What's the best tyre size to go for on 18" wheels. I need refinement and comfort. Also dumb question is Michelin Pilot Sport the same as Michelin PS2
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Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='297447' date='Jun 14 2006, 08:35 PM
the bigger the wheel, the heavier it is

ever notice how race cars don't have big wheels?
except when you rim is 13-14kgs
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='297362' date='Jun 14 2006, 04:54 PM
IMO, 20's are inferior to 19's on a regular 5er in all ways except possibly looks--and that is debateable. 20's are losers from a performance perspective in all ways unless a car is designed for them--acceleration slower, handling worse, feel worse, and braking worse. They also cost more. If I had it to do over, I'd stick with 18's and a higher profile tire than my 19" PS2's for comfort--not that the PS2's are particularly uncomfortable.
If it is a good quality there is no loss of comfort. It more depend on the roads than on the size of a rim. Acceleration is not worse and traction is even better.
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