Jaguar XF SC vs. BMW 535i - Undecided
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I wouldn't touch a Tata, which is really too bad. I always wanted a Jag at some point in my life being of British background but I think Jag is doomed in the US. No one is going to pay serious money for car from India.
My wife wanted a Jag for years and as soon as I told her about the sale to an Indian company that was the end of that. Everyone I know has horror stories from work or home dealing with some companies "help line" based in India. They never could fix my computer now I'm going to spend huge dollars on a car.
Jags already horrible resale is only going to get worse. The brand is done in the US
My wife wanted a Jag for years and as soon as I told her about the sale to an Indian company that was the end of that. Everyone I know has horror stories from work or home dealing with some companies "help line" based in India. They never could fix my computer now I'm going to spend huge dollars on a car.
Jags already horrible resale is only going to get worse. The brand is done in the US
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Originally Posted by mhs525' post='552450' date='Mar 28 2008, 05:43 PM
I wouldn't touch a Tata, which is really too bad. I always wanted a Jag at some point in my life being of British background but I think Jag is doomed in the US. No one is going to pay serious money for car from India.
My wife wanted a Jag for years and as soon as I told her about the sale to an Indian company that was the end of that. Everyone I know has horror stories from work or home dealing with some companies "help line" based in India. They never could fix my computer now I'm going to spend huge dollars on a car.
Jags already horrible resale is only going to get worse. The brand is done in the US
My wife wanted a Jag for years and as soon as I told her about the sale to an Indian company that was the end of that. Everyone I know has horror stories from work or home dealing with some companies "help line" based in India. They never could fix my computer now I'm going to spend huge dollars on a car.
Jags already horrible resale is only going to get worse. The brand is done in the US
Man... countless luxury and supercar manufacturers have been held by large conglomerates, etc... The Italian ones have a particularly speckled history. BMW is unique in its focus and autonomy, but to hold other companies to a similar standard is silly.
Tata Group is one of the largest holding companies in the world, reaching into nearly every industry. A buddy of mine works for their telecom (VSNL) I doubt the change of ownership will have a detrimental effect on the end product.
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Originally Posted by UUronL' post='552469' date='Mar 28 2008, 03:25 PM
Man... countless luxury and supercar manufacturers have been held by large conglomerates, etc... The Italian ones have a particularly speckled history. BMW is unique in its focus and autonomy, but to hold other companies to a similar standard is silly.
Tata Group is one of the largest holding companies in the world, reaching into nearly every industry. A buddy of mine works for their telecom (VSNL) I doubt the change of ownership will have a detrimental effect on the end product.
Tata Group is one of the largest holding companies in the world, reaching into nearly every industry. A buddy of mine works for their telecom (VSNL) I doubt the change of ownership will have a detrimental effect on the end product.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='552483' date='Mar 28 2008, 06:41 PM
Yep. +1 on that, UUronL.
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='552490' date='Mar 28 2008, 03:49 PM
Aston Martin was owned by Ford and none of us would chase one of those out of our garages...
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='552493' date='Mar 28 2008, 06:53 PM
Absolutely. I'd love an Aston. Probably my favorite cars. I thought for a minute about the Vantage when I got my current car but I just couldn't afford the extra $$$
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Man... countless luxury and supercar manufacturers have been held by large conglomerates, etc... The Italian ones have a particularly speckled history. BMW is unique in its focus and autonomy, but to hold other companies to a similar standard is silly.
Tata Group is one of the largest holding companies in the world, reaching into nearly every industry. A buddy of mine works for their telecom (VSNL) I doubt the change of ownership will have a detrimental effect on the end product.
Tata Group is one of the largest holding companies in the world, reaching into nearly every industry. A buddy of mine works for their telecom (VSNL) I doubt the change of ownership will have a detrimental effect on the end product.
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='552496' date='Mar 28 2008, 03:59 PM
They were running a lease special here for $1800/mo
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='552360' date='Mar 28 2008, 03:01 PM
Consumer Reports 2008 Annual Auto Issue was just published (it is dated April 2008). Jaguar is actually two places above BMW on Consumer Reports' predicted reliability list by manufacturer. Ford also scored above BMW. As did Hyundai. Consumer Reports also has the 6 cylinder AWD E60 amongst its list of least reliable cars in the Upscale/Luxury cars category.
My 2006 550i was virtually problem free as is my 2008 so far.
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='552490' date='Mar 28 2008, 06:49 PM
Aston Martin was owned by Ford and none of us would chase one of those out of our garages...
Couldn't disagree with you more.
I think Ford did tons of damage to the brand. They started mass producing body parts and Aston DBs started looking like Jags and vise versa.
I wont disagree that on a dollar scale they may have save Aston, but I think they did a world of damage to the previously hand made brand's image.