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02-15-2008, 12:35 PM
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i understand and i would have loved to see those 0-60 and 1/4 times on video, that is pretty amazing. i wasnt trying to come off as an ass just when i first read your post took it a little to personal since i am soon to be an 08 535xi owner, and thought you were being a little harsh on the 535. it does deserve alot of credit for beeing just a 6, it is an incredible car. these forums are all in good fun, i learn a little more everyday from these topics. 545 535 and 550's are all amazing cars and i look forward to hearing further posts about your new 550. congrats
Originally Posted by grogan545' post='531722' date='Feb 15 2008, 03:24 AM
If you go by car magazines or BMW stats you are correct,but the actual world is a little different.BMW stats appear to be theoretical.all of their 0-60 times are actually 0-100 km times.Also they always show the standard shift to be .1 faster than than the steptonic.The fastest times for every magazine as well as by all owner tests show the steptronic to be consistently quicker to 60 and in the 1/4.This is because there is a gear ratio advantage with the steptronic.Car magazines test a car for 1 day and don,t spend a lot of time with test methods.I spent the better part of 2 years devloping the best method for acceleration tests.I had times from 5.60(poor start and unfavorable weather)to 4.78(perfect start in cold dry conditions)in my 0-60 tests.I don't compare manufacturer and magazine stats.Take your car to an NHRA drag strip to see how it and your driving skills match up to other cars & drivers.
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i have to see a video or proof of the under 4.8 0-60 and 13. whatever in the stock 545
sounds to far fetched for me
sounds to far fetched for me
02-16-2008, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by too solid' post='532022' date='Feb 16 2008, 03:32 AM
i have to see a video or proof of the under 4.8 0-60 and 13. whatever in the stock 545
sounds to far fetched for me
sounds to far fetched for me
02-16-2008, 08:54 AM
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I really like the stock 550 rims now on the non-sport and the fact that you HAVE to take the aero package with sport is now either a blessing or a curse depending on your requirements.
Let's end the my car is faster than your car arguments guys - It's apparent that grogan has/had a very fast 545 - that doesn't mean all 545s are that fast nor are all 535s all that slow - the fact is that even the poor performers are relatively quick considering all things.
Let's end the my car is faster than your car arguments guys - It's apparent that grogan has/had a very fast 545 - that doesn't mean all 545s are that fast nor are all 535s all that slow - the fact is that even the poor performers are relatively quick considering all things.
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Originally Posted by doug_999' post='532104' date='Feb 16 2008, 09:54 AM
I really like the stock 550 rims now on the non-sport and the fact that you HAVE to take the aero package with sport is now either a blessing or a curse depending on your requirements.
Let's end the my car is faster than your car arguments guys - It's apparent that grogan has/had a very fast 545 - that doesn't mean all 545s are that fast nor are all 535s all that slow - the fact is that even the poor performers are relatively quick considering all things.
Let's end the my car is faster than your car arguments guys - It's apparent that grogan has/had a very fast 545 - that doesn't mean all 545s are that fast nor are all 535s all that slow - the fact is that even the poor performers are relatively quick considering all things.
Agreed. With so many variances in temperature, surface, rpms @ launch, engine health and manufacturing variances, driver experience/weight/skill, tire grip/pressure/rolling resistance, wind speed, elevation, fuel tank fill level, removal of excess weight (junk-in-the-trunk), etc - it's entirely plausible to have achieved such a result when all conditions warranted such and with "200 0-60 and 1/4 mile tests" under one's belt. It's rare, to be sure, but plausible.
02-16-2008, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='531592' date='Feb 15 2008, 12:44 AM
All due respect to Andy545 (and his time is a great time) but like most of us I doubt he's has the practice that Grogan and Znod put in and thus won't quite be at the same level.
To echo other posts - Znod and Grogan in their 545 recorded consistently faster times, over time, than any other member here is likely to achieve in their 550 or 535, provided we stick to stock vehicles.
To echo other posts - Znod and Grogan in their 545 recorded consistently faster times, over time, than any other member here is likely to achieve in their 550 or 535, provided we stick to stock vehicles.
I wanted to make a point to solid that via the vid , my run was executed by just entering a highway from a curving entry, momentarily stopping, and flooring it. Stock, DSC and the like all untouched - which is hardly the setup of getting a potentially good time from a run.
Znod and grogan have by far superior experience with this, both from a standpoint of technique and practice !
and also agree with the other comments; when it comes to believing numbers, I'd rather trust facts from long time well respected members driving the same car as me for a long time rather than a magazine tester having the car for a morning...
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02-16-2008, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by advancedlogic' post='532107' date='Feb 16 2008, 01:09 PM
Agreed. With so many variances in temperature, surface, rpms @ launch, engine health and manufacturing variances, driver experience/weight/skill, tire grip/pressure/rolling resistance, wind speed, elevation, fuel tank fill level, removal of excess weight (junk-in-the-trunk), etc - it's entirely plausible to have achieved such a result when all conditions warranted such and with "200 0-60 and 1/4 mile tests" under one's belt. It's rare, to be sure, but plausible.
02-16-2008, 12:52 PM
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a magazine tester having the car for a morning? car and driver is one of the biggest most well known automotive review magazines in the world. they go through more extensive tests with each vehicle then the everyday driver like you ever could. each car is tested by professionals thoroughly to see just what the cars max potential is. and the numbers they state are very correct. so to say "I'd rather trust facts from long time well respected members driving the same car as me for a long time rather than a magazine tester having the car for a morning." is quite an understatement to make.
Originally Posted by andy545' post='532110' date='Feb 16 2008, 10:22 AM
all correct !
I wanted to make a point to solid that via the vid , my run was executed by just entering a highway from a curving entry, momentarily stopping, and flooring it. Stock, DSC and the like all untouched - which is hardly the setup of getting a potentially good time from a run.
Znod and grogan have by far superior experience with this, both from a standpoint of technique and practice !
and also agree with the other comments; when it comes to believing numbers, I'd rather trust facts from long time well respected members driving the same car as me for a long time rather than a magazine tester having the car for a morning...
as always: be saaafe !!
I wanted to make a point to solid that via the vid , my run was executed by just entering a highway from a curving entry, momentarily stopping, and flooring it. Stock, DSC and the like all untouched - which is hardly the setup of getting a potentially good time from a run.
Znod and grogan have by far superior experience with this, both from a standpoint of technique and practice !
and also agree with the other comments; when it comes to believing numbers, I'd rather trust facts from long time well respected members driving the same car as me for a long time rather than a magazine tester having the car for a morning...
as always: be saaafe !!
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Originally Posted by too solid' post='532155' date='Feb 16 2008, 03:52 PM
a magazine tester having the car for a morning? car and driver is one of the biggest most well known automotive review magazines in the world. they go through more extensive tests with each vehicle then the everyday driver like you ever could. each car is tested by professionals thoroughly to see just what the cars max potential is. and the numbers they state are very correct. so to say "I'd rather trust facts from long time well respected members driving the same car as me for a long time rather than a magazine tester having the car for a morning." is quite an understatement to make.
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exactly! they are very precise with their numbers. not just a car mag. taking it out for a morning.