OliverB

Escort GT2 looks fine.
Is it possible to set it in metric to be used in Europe ??
How does it work ?
Do you have to knpw the weight of your car to use it ?

znod

Hi O:

How are thinks in BE? We really enjoyed the visit and actually Brussels too. Brugge was great. The hotel in Brussels was great and the medieval (I guess) plaza was the coolest I have seen. The people were great everwhere. I don't think we talked to a single person that did not speak excellent English. The Eurostar was very neat too. And, the chocolate, pastries, and waffles, etc., well that goes without saying.

I just looked through the GT2 manual and don't see a metric opiton, but the "other" system should work for you--just a little converting to do. You might want to do two several things with the meter: (a) time to speed/distance, (b) skidpad forces,? braking forces, and (d) HP measurement. I only do (a) and (d) so I don't know much about the settings for the other two possibilities, but I could look if you are interested. To do (a), you only need to set two things--pitch, which is easy to estimate, and rollout--which one would set at either zero or 1 foot. To do (d), you need to set more things including car weight. Car weight can be estimated reasonably accurately, and one could drive to a public scale for accurate measuement. The other items you would need to set are easy to estimate also or may actually be known.

I have read how G-meters work, but can't say exactly without looking at a reference. But, the bottom line is that they measure the things mentioned about through the measurement of g-forces. They are pretty accurate if not calibrated at, say, a dragstrip. And, they are extremely accurate if calibrated. Check out the link posted above by UUronL.

I don't know if Escort would ship to Europe or not. If you want one and have problems with shipping, etc., I could easily buy and ship one to you. You could pay somehow before or after.

Best,

Znod

EuroCarFan

According to Escort's site (www.gtimer.com) GT2s produced since July 2004 can be configured to show English as well as Metric units. I think the instructions are in the supplementary instruction manual, not the main one.

Unfortunately, they also state that they only ship to Puerto Rico and Canada, outside the US...no place else.

cobradav

I'm confused (so what's new u say) Here u recommend the GT2 cause you and everybody else has one. Yet all the titles of your very detail tests, mods and troublehooting indicate a G-tech (Gtech SS). Did I miss you changing in mid stream to this GT2?

I like the Gtech RR specs and software features and the whole Gtech web site seems to be much more professional and tailored to "performance" use of its products. Maybe just because that's all they do compared to Escort?

The incremental cost delta of $120 does not bother me and it appears that some of the software supporting the RR would provide more easily obtained information compared to teh GT2 package.

In any case I have to move fast so I can get me baseline data prior to being upgrade. If for no other reason, these devices may pay us back by proving either degraded or improved performance to BMW. None of our seat of the pants inputs will carry much weight, but data like you and grogan ( and hopefully me and others) are accumulating should.

Anyway I'll look forward to your comments in this regard and weigh your advice carefully, thanks.

znod

Yes, Tesla's business, as far as I know, is g-meters, and their site is wll set up. You also can get software for use with the GT2. I am not really interested in going that far with things at this time--maybe for the Z06 in the future. When I switched, I assumed that one meter is as good as another for what I am interested in. And, the GT2 is way better than my origianl purchase, the Pro SS, for providing the kind of data I am interested in.

With respect to the GT2, no matter how fast you go on a run, then you will get all the data possible that is important to me (which is not the way it is with the Pro SS, but I am not sure about the RR).

So, if you only go to 1/8, then you get:
60'
330'
1,000' (if you go a bit farther)
0-10
0-20 ,..., to 0-80 (or, for example, 0 -90 if you go over an 1/8)
1/8 time
1/8 speed
Max HP @ speed (between 7 MPH (as I recall) and 60 MPH)
Average HP over the same speeds I think

If you go the full 1/4, then obviously you get in addition:

1/4 time
1/4 speed
1.000'
0-90, etc. in 10 mile increments

cobradav

Much confusion is the result of failing to read carefully. Yes, you missed the switch. It came early on in the long thread.

Oh good, you are getting a meter. I think that the GT2 will do the BMW-related job. If if won't, then no meter is going to work.

With respect to the GT2, no matter how fast you go on a run, then you will get all the data possible that is important to me (which is not the way it is with the Pro SS, but I am not sure about the RR).

So, if you only go to 1/8, then you get:
60'
330'
1,000' (if you go a bit farther)
0-10
0-20 ,..., to 0-80 (or, for example, 0 -90 if you go over an 1/8)
1/8 time
1/8 speed
Max HP @ speed (between 7 MPH (as I recall) and 60 MPH)
Average HP over the same speeds I think

If you go the full 1/4, then obviously you get in addition:

1/4 time
1/4 speed
1.000'
0-90, etc. in 10 mile increments
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After I wrote this I went back to re-read the long (130+ posts) thread and saw where u pulled the switch. I see what u mean between the GT2 and SS. I'll check into the RR capabilities in more detail and see what I determine. Thanks

znod

I didn't mention it, but the SS also allows a special case setting or, for example, zero to 60, but, as I understand things, you still don't get 0 to 10, etc. Also, the SS does not allow you to vary from the 1' default rollout. I think maybe that the RR gives the intermediate data. If so, then it should be excellent.

cobradav

I didn't mention it, but the SS also allows a special case setting or, for example, zero to 60, but, as I understand things, you still don't get 0 to 10, etc. Also, the SS does not allow you to vary from the 1' default rollout. I think maybe that the RR gives the intermediate data. If so, then it should be excellent.
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Rollout settable from 0-16 inches. Store up to 30 runs, selectable delete. Can measure to any desired speed, will store all intermediate data up to 1/4 mile. In dragstrip mode captures 60 ft time, 330ft time, 0-60 time, 1/8 time and trap speed, 1000 ft time, 1/4 time and trap speed. Graphs RPM which shows shift points, time and duration, etc. Graphs of speed vs time, and HP graphs vs time. Couple more items to check out then I believe I'm commited.

znod

Rollout settable from 0-16 inches. Store up to 30 runs, selectable delete. Can measure to any desired speed, will store all intermediate data up to 1/4 mile. In dragstrip mode captures 60 ft time, 330ft time, 0-60 time, 1/8 time and trap speed, 1000 ft time, 1/4 time and trap speed. Graphs RPM which shows shift points, time and duration, etc. Graphs of speed vs time, and HP graphs vs time. Couple more items to check out then I believe I'm commited.
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Yes, it sounds very good. Do you also get the intermediate times to speed in dragstrip mode? Also, it will require RPM input from the car. If those data are inaccurate, then the graphs, etc., that deal with RPM's also will be inaccurate----I think.

Have you seen the latest on the "Our Fearless Forecasts" thread. There is a new leader. , it is not you.

cobradav

Rollout settable from 0-16 inches. Store up to 30 runs, selectable delete. Can measure to any desired speed, will store all intermediate data up to 1/4 mile. In dragstrip mode captures 60 ft time, 330ft time, 0-60 time, 1/8 time and trap speed, 1000 ft time, 1/4 time and trap speed. Graphs RPM which shows shift points, time and duration, etc. Graphs of speed vs time, and HP graphs vs time. Couple more items to check out then I believe I'm commited.
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Yes, it sounds very good. Do you also get the intermediate times to speed in dragstrip mode? Also, it will require RPM input from the car. If those data are inaccurate, then the graphs, etc., that deal with RPM's also will be inaccurate----I think.

Have you seen the latest on the "Our Fearless Forecasts" thread. There is a new leader. , it is not you.
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RPM not required other than to get only RPM Related things - shift points, shift timing, etc. It graphs mpg vs time and I believe has detail in 10mph increments. You can set up special 0-xx-0 runs if you like without doing 1/4 mile runs. I've pretty much convinced myself this is the toy I want. Probably overkill, but I am a gadget man.

I must admit I have not been paying to much attention to the Fearless Forecasts thread, relying more on m5 and m6 boards to track whats going on in that community. I was so far out of the running early on that I started pouting, took my ball and went home