Stamping on the brakes mid bend in a Honda wouldn't be too much trouble.... Front Wheel Drive.

All this talk about DSC, ESP and any other really gets my goat! No doubt they save lives but with some simple driver training you wouldn't need them - or they at the very least they wouldn't have to dig people out of so much trouble.

Lesson 1... don't stand on the brakes mid bend... especially in a rear wheel drive car.


Andy

 

Stamping on the brakes mid bend in a Honda wouldn't be too much trouble.... Front Wheel Drive.

All this talk about DSC, ESP and any other really gets my goat! No doubt they save lives but with some simple driver training you wouldn't need them - or they at the very least they wouldn't have to dig people out of so much trouble.

Lesson 1... don't stand on the brakes mid bend... especially in a rear wheel drive car.


Andy
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That's sometimes easier said than done. The point of these systems is to intervene as and when needed and those situations are something that could happen to any driver at any time, irrespective of skill levels or training.

 

Apparently Baron doesn't believe accidents can happn. Must be <25.

 

According to the Federal Highway Administration, there is no such thing as an 'accident'. They call them a 'crash'. They are figuring, according the article I read a couple of years ago, that basically nothing is unavoidable, i.e. there is always fault, irrespective of no-fault insurance programs. They did comment that a comet crashing right in front of your car might be an exception to this theory. I kind of like there thought process...let's put the responsibility where it belongs, hopefully to someone else!

Sam

 

Nope i'm > 30 and i certainly believe accidents happen. (i've just re-read my post and never claimed otherwise).

I'm just saying that driver education is as important as all the driver aids and the two go hand in hand. We've all got the driver aids now how about the training? Mazada throw in a training day if you buy an RX-8.... i wonder if BMW will do the same for the Ms?

Andy

 

I thought it was the opposite. Don't break or let up the throttle in a front wheel drive car in a bend. That's my experience. In a front wheel drive car you have to use the throttle to "drag" you out of the bend, or else you can have a crazy oversteer!

 

Nope i'm > 30 and i certainly believe accidents happen. (i've just re-read my post and never claimed otherwise).

I'm just saying that driver education is as important as all the driver aids and the two go hand in hand. We've all got the driver aids now how about the training? Mazada throw in a training day if you buy an RX-8.... i wonder if BMW will do the same for the Ms?

Andy
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BMW throws in what they call Driving Experience (DE) for the 6er. It is two days using their 6ers. I have not been yet, so I do not know the details of what is included in the training, but how to handle car is certainly one aspect. I plan on attending sometime in June/July time frame. At least on this side of the Mississippi, it is at their Spartenburg, SC facility. Don't know if they do a different one out west. Seems if they do it for 6er they would probably do the Ms as well, but not sure.

 

I thought it was the opposite. Don't break or let up the throttle in a front wheel drive car in a bend. That's my experience. In a front wheel drive car you have to use the throttle to "drag" you out of the bend, or else you can have a crazy oversteer!
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TBH it's the same in both FWD and RWD. If you hit the brakes mid bend the weight goes forward decreasing the weight over the rear wheels = less grip and the back end will come around. It's just the problem after that event is worse in a RWD car (assuming you haven't stamped the car to a stop pointing the wrong direction). Once the back end comes round the rear wheers will push the car round further. With a FWD the front wheels will pull the car in the direction they're pointing.

Does that make sense?

Andy

 

Yepp it does.. But RWD cars has better weight balance from the start. It's as you explains, but I think it's even worse to hit the break hard in a bend with a FWD. And oc this depends on what car we are talking about. I'm comparing my '05 9-3 Convertible and my 530d. The SAAB can be a little wily if you're not pushing it a little in the bends during active driving.