I don't think there is any connection between active steering and switching off DSC/DTC...
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Thanks Rudy. My manual indicates that AS is off or, at least, its effects are minimized if DSC/DTS are turned off. So, I though maybe I could notice a difference from center to lock--with DSC/DTS off and on. I noted above that I almost always dirve with both off--thinking, given what my manual says, that doing so might be the reason that I never notice AS. Also, I finally saw the AS icon when starting my car. It depicts the steering wheel and an exclamation point on its right side. The exclamation point is supposed to indicate a problem, although not necessarily, of course, on start up. Does your icon show the exclamation point when starting up? I still haven't figured out how to detect AS short of turning DTS/DTC off and on and trying to detect differential steering wheel movement while doing the same turns. Any thoughts?

I agree you would not feel difference under most normal conditions, but DSC and AS are related. Using the yaw and ABS sensors and some driver inputs (panic stop, sudden release of gas, etc) DSC and AS in combo will make some adjustments to car without your direct involvement. For instance, while driving in a hurricane or transiting on/off or off/on a bridge in a crosswind those with AS might feel some corrections that they did not initiate.
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I took a curved freeway ramp in rain the other week and the road was pretty slippy. Back end of the car lost grip, and the car fishtailed. In addition to the DSC doing its stuff, I could definitely feel some assistance and input from the steering to help with the correction; with the DSC/AS combo the car quickly regained control. Unless my next E60 happens to be the M, it will have AS. I'm convinced that AS played a role in avoiding a more serious outcome to that freeway ramp incident.
[/quote]Well, many cars that don't have AS would have saved you equally well. I'd give most of the credit to DSC/DTC, but, yes, AS probably provided some input too. But, whatever, I am very glad you did not crash.

 

I'm not sure how this became so complicated. AS isn't going to be affected by DSC when standing still. All I wanted to do was get an idea of how many turns lock to lock a car with AS and a car without AS had while standing still. On my AS equipped car, it was less than three...

 

Right, that is what I confirmed when I did my test. I think we are sort of gong in circles. I think I am squared away at this point on everything except I still have not been able to feel AS "work." And, actually, that is all I have been trying to do from the start. But, as you say, one thing led to another, etc., etc. Apparently, I adjust to different cars very quickly so, for example, I never run over little old ladies on street corners or hit curbs when turning because AS "tricked" me.

 

That's not really the point I'm making, AS sometimes gets dismissed by some posters as a "parking aid" when one of its functions is to intervene in situations like these. Would DSC alone have caught this slide? Who knows. But the AS played its part.

 

That's not really the point I'm making, AS sometimes gets dismissed by some posters as a "parking aid" when one of its functions is to intervene in situations like these. Would DSC alone have caught this slide? Who knows. But the AS played its part.
[/quote]Yes, I should not have said "probably" above since you said earlier that you felt it's steering input. But, for another frame of reference, my Z06's stability control saved me, on the recent occassions, before I got my new tires, when I burned all the way through 1st and 2nd trying to use my GTech. While I think I contributed some to my salvation, I am about 99% confident that I would have crashed without its stability-control inputs. Z06's get sideways very quickly under hard acceleration if stability control is not active. Consistently, my modded 94 RX-7, with nothing but the driver for input, took me into a light pole under hard acceleration. I am convinced that no one could have prevented that crash, and my son had the same experience in his stock 93 RX-7.

I had accelerated full bore, the car spun its wheels (which I was used to), took a sharp terribly unexpected right turn, then crunch, and finally $20k later.... I told the officer who investigated exactly what happened. He said that there was no way that what I described could have happened (I would have thought so too). I got the same ticket, failure to control speed (no kidding ), but under his interpretation that I must have come around a corner too fast, lost control, and hit the pole.

 

You're dangerous! I think you need to give me your Z06 for safe keeping for the time being. I'll be by this weekend to pick it up.

 

You're dangerous! I think you need to give me your Z06 for safe keeping for the time being. I'll be by this weekend to pick it up.
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Yep, I am a menace to society--one of the ones why others should blot their plates. But, really, I am a very good straight-line driver--which goes to show that bads can happen no matter what. What time are you coming by with your $40K? It will be nice to meet you.

 

Tonight at 10 good for ya?

 

Tonight at 10 good for ya?
[/quote]Perfect, but bring cash.

 

Perfect, but bring cash.
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Nope no cash... you were suppose to give it to me!

You moved your house I couldnt find it! I had to go home empty handed! Now you owe me a Z06 + some gas money.