New Porsche 911 Turbo
02-14-2006, 07:18 AM
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Its bound to cost a leg after all its a turbo 
. I doubt I will miss the tail happy handling of my BMW if I get my hands on one of those. I had an awd before the BM and I find the poor traction of the BM on rougher surfaces really annoying. The GT3 looks superb too but I would never consider one for the real world.
. I doubt I will miss the tail happy handling of my BMW if I get my hands on one of those. I had an awd before the BM and I find the poor traction of the BM on rougher surfaces really annoying. The GT3 looks superb too but I would never consider one for the real world.
02-14-2006, 12:15 PM
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Here's a cool video of the 997 turbo along with the history of the 911 turbo
http://www.porsche.com/all/masterwerk/usa.aspx
http://www.porsche.com/all/masterwerk/usa.aspx
02-14-2006, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sapkan' post='240081' date='Feb 14 2006, 11:18 AM
Its bound to cost a leg after all its a turbo . I doubt I will miss the tail happy handling of my BMW if I get my hands on one of those. I had an awd before the BM and I find the poor traction of the BM on rougher surfaces really annoying. The GT3 looks superb too but I would never consider one for the real world.
. I doubt I will miss the tail happy handling of my BMW if I get my hands on one of those. I had an awd before the BM and I find the poor traction of the BM on rougher surfaces really annoying. The GT3 looks superb too but I would never consider one for the real world.
02-14-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='240242' date='Feb 14 2006, 01:37 PM
You have a point there. Especially if u're not frenetic about sliding or tail happy. Also the porsche some say it's at it's best with awd because of all the weight on the back. Makes the rwd behave nice enough but ready to punish you as soon as you run out of tarmac or talent. Also the fact that it is the lightest awd system and the torque distribution of 40:60 F:R if i'm not mistaken makes it not that detached.
Porsche's Traction Management utilizes an electro-magnetic clutch (unlike the previous versions using a mechanical viscous coupling) which will allow torque to be distributed in a range of 0 to almost 100% to the front or rear axles.
I agree with you that because of the vehicle's weight distribution, there is a tendency for the car to oversteer, however, AWD will help to address this. (weight distribution is 40/60, perhaps this is what you meant).
02-15-2006, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Centurion' post='240296' date='Feb 14 2006, 06:50 PM
Just a minor correction on the torque distribution...
Porsche's Traction Management utilizes an electro-magnetic clutch (unlike the previous versions using a mechanical viscous coupling) which will allow torque to be distributed in a range of 0 to almost 100% to the front or rear axles.
I agree with you that because of the vehicle's weight distribution, there is a tendency for the car to oversteer, however, AWD will help to address this. (weight distribution is 40/60, perhaps this is what you meant).
Porsche's Traction Management utilizes an electro-magnetic clutch (unlike the previous versions using a mechanical viscous coupling) which will allow torque to be distributed in a range of 0 to almost 100% to the front or rear axles.
I agree with you that because of the vehicle's weight distribution, there is a tendency for the car to oversteer, however, AWD will help to address this. (weight distribution is 40/60, perhaps this is what you meant).
Weight distribution i assume is far from 50:50 even in the 997 turbo because of the car's construction...
02-23-2006, 12:19 PM
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I come clean and i must say i'm in love with this car. Really now porsche stole my heart with this epic pice of engineering. Unless bmw does smth miraculous good with the upcoming m3 (in desgin and somehow performance, although almost everything compared to this 911 is redundant) i'm sold to the porsche. This became my dream car...no questions asked. This car is so techy and so brutal and yet civilised and so good looking and sooo................I RAN OUT OF SUPERLATIVES....that leaves any M car for dead. Maybe one day i'll get my dream come true. I don't care how fast it will be, after all the magazines and tv shows test it, i don't care (too much) how does it stack up to other cars, i don't know how it drive i just want it. The end.
02-23-2006, 12:32 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...=997++911+turbo
link to some tests on the nordschelife
PS: Wanted to ask you guys if you where to buy this car which transmission would oyu choose? Manual wich yes is more involving costs less, but it is 0,2 sec slower than Tiptronic S wich is still a (6 spd i think) and it is more expensive but it's quicker. 0-100km/h in 3.7 seconds seems soooo tempting.
Also i wonder how does this tiptronic s gearbox work? Is is a sequential similar to the smg? Does it have paddels behind the steering wheel?
link to some tests on the nordschelife
PS: Wanted to ask you guys if you where to buy this car which transmission would oyu choose? Manual wich yes is more involving costs less, but it is 0,2 sec slower than Tiptronic S wich is still a (6 spd i think) and it is more expensive but it's quicker. 0-100km/h in 3.7 seconds seems soooo tempting.
Also i wonder how does this tiptronic s gearbox work? Is is a sequential similar to the smg? Does it have paddels behind the steering wheel?
02-23-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='244925' date='Feb 23 2006, 01:32 PM
PS: Wanted to ask you guys if you where to buy this car which transmission would oyu choose? Manual wich yes is more involving costs less, but it is 0,2 sec slower than Tiptronic S wich is still a (6 spd i think) and it is more expensive but it's quicker. 0-100km/h in 3.7 seconds seems soooo tempting.
Also i wonder how does this tiptronic s gearbox work? Is is a sequential similar to the smg? Does it have paddels behind the steering wheel?
Also i wonder how does this tiptronic s gearbox work? Is is a sequential similar to the smg? Does it have paddels behind the steering wheel?
02-23-2006, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stream' post='244941' date='Feb 23 2006, 04:53 PM
The Porsche tiptronic is a torque converter automatic trans, not a sequential manual. No paddles--it has rocker buttons on the front of the steering wheel (pretty cheesy looking IMHO). Personally, having owned 4 Porsches, there's no way I'd get a tip. Yes, the 997 turbo is slightly faster with the tip (a reversal from the past), but I enjoy the driver involvement of a manual trans, and I'm not going to miss 0.2 secs...
Now i wonder the fallowing: why would an automatic get a better time (slightly) then the stick? Is it the human factor (can't change that fast)? Or is it simply the construction....wonder overall from 0-250 and onwords if the order remains the same (tiptronic 911 turbo faster than manual). Maybe you can enlighten me due to your vast experience. Thanx.
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='244950' date='Feb 23 2006, 10:05 PM
Yeah i found exactly that now, lurking on a porsche forum i found the ordering sheet for the 911 turbo. optional Tiptronic S 5 speed automatic transmission with sterring wheel buttons. Yep. So only manual remains for me also.
Now i wonder the fallowing: why would an automatic get a better time (slightly) then the stick? Is it the human factor (can't change that fast)? Or is it simply the construction....wonder overall from 0-250 and onwords if the order remains the same (tiptronic 911 turbo faster than manual). Maybe you can enlighten me due to your vast experience. Thanx.
Now i wonder the fallowing: why would an automatic get a better time (slightly) then the stick? Is it the human factor (can't change that fast)? Or is it simply the construction....wonder overall from 0-250 and onwords if the order remains the same (tiptronic 911 turbo faster than manual). Maybe you can enlighten me due to your vast experience. Thanx.
2) Dual-clutch transmission will be available starting 2/2007