Predator ICE
08-17-2006, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Redstradic' post='323689' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:06 PM
Are you still going to try to make them brighter?
I know if I would have paid early, I would want them now. However, I did not thinking you might come out with something a little better.
I know if I would have paid early, I would want them now. However, I did not thinking you might come out with something a little better.
Most people are saying GO and then get a new Version 2 later on that is brighter.
08-17-2006, 11:29 AM
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Yes go ahead and ship them now. We will buy the upgraded product if it is that much better anyways!
08-17-2006, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by umnitza' post='323698' date='Aug 17 2006, 12:27 PM
Well, we'll go ahead with this now? or wait?
Most people are saying GO and then get a new Version 2 later on that is brighter.
Most people are saying GO and then get a new Version 2 later on that is brighter.
08-17-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Heiss5' post='323678' date='Aug 17 2006, 01:26 PM
So are these going to be available in different colors (red, blue, yellow/orange) or is it just going to be bright white?
You're trying to avoid reply this question, aren't you?
08-17-2006, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by my530i' post='323825' date='Aug 17 2006, 07:00 PM
Umnitza,
You're trying to avoid reply this question, aren't you?
You're trying to avoid reply this question, aren't you?
08-18-2006, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by umnitza' post='323273' date='Aug 16 2006, 03:32 PM
<div align="CENTER">Predator ICE? PRODUCT UPDATE</div>
Exciting Developments
New prototype - see pictures below - works round the clock with no failures.
New protoype is still 3X brighter than the PIAA
New prototype is exactly as bright as the nearest $350 competitor
New prototype has an encapsulated projector that aims the lights of the LED more accurately.
New prototype fits with NO EFFORT and is COMPLETELY PLUG AND PLAY with no modifications.
New prototype builds on the notion that you can install it to run like stock (via the parking light switch) or set it as DRL enabled.
Challenges to Overcome
The color is not what I wanted, it's 5000K, we're shooting for 6000K or 7000K for a more pure white look with no hints of blue- this is relatively minor and does not affect the delivery of the product.
The brightness that we're aiming for is 1.2 to 1.3X brighter than what we have now. That means, we're shooting for 30% more output. Our dilemma is that if we shoot for more output, the cost of the product will not change, but the design changes in 3 key ways:
1) we have to use an external heat sink as the brighter LED runs much hotter and over runs the existing setup.
2) it will delay the production of the units by one month
3) It will not be as elegant a design.
So, we have to ask the customers that have both already paid for this and those that are interested in getting them, what do you want us to do? Do you want us to go ahead and make this one? Or do you want us to make a technologically better product but delay production...
We'll wait to get a conglomeration of thoughts by the end of this Sunday and provide a summary to our factory...
Exciting Developments
New prototype - see pictures below - works round the clock with no failures.
New protoype is still 3X brighter than the PIAA
New prototype is exactly as bright as the nearest $350 competitor
New prototype has an encapsulated projector that aims the lights of the LED more accurately.
New prototype fits with NO EFFORT and is COMPLETELY PLUG AND PLAY with no modifications.
New prototype builds on the notion that you can install it to run like stock (via the parking light switch) or set it as DRL enabled.
Challenges to Overcome
The color is not what I wanted, it's 5000K, we're shooting for 6000K or 7000K for a more pure white look with no hints of blue- this is relatively minor and does not affect the delivery of the product.
The brightness that we're aiming for is 1.2 to 1.3X brighter than what we have now. That means, we're shooting for 30% more output. Our dilemma is that if we shoot for more output, the cost of the product will not change, but the design changes in 3 key ways:
1) we have to use an external heat sink as the brighter LED runs much hotter and over runs the existing setup.
2) it will delay the production of the units by one month
3) It will not be as elegant a design.
So, we have to ask the customers that have both already paid for this and those that are interested in getting them, what do you want us to do? Do you want us to go ahead and make this one? Or do you want us to make a technologically better product but delay production...
We'll wait to get a conglomeration of thoughts by the end of this Sunday and provide a summary to our factory...
08-18-2006, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by umnitza' post='323698' date='Aug 17 2006, 03:27 PM
Well, we'll go ahead with this now? or wait?
Most people are saying GO and then get a new Version 2 later on that is brighter.
Most people are saying GO and then get a new Version 2 later on that is brighter.
08-18-2006, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by my530i' post='323825' date='Aug 17 2006, 07:00 PM
Umnitza,
You're trying to avoid reply this question, aren't you?
You're trying to avoid reply this question, aren't you?
08-18-2006, 02:51 PM
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We've not shown it, but we'll sell an optional wiring harness as we do with ALL our products that enables you to plug these ICE "capsules" and have 2 wires that can be triggered like our existing products - DRL/Switch/Fogs/Etc.
The release delay is a non issue for me, I only have 2 concerns which you can probably address.
While brighter is better to most, I would say that its good up to a point. I wouldn't want them to be so bright that they become ricey/garish looking, and stand out in a bad way. I know looks are a totally subjective thing, but since only you can see things firsthand, and can compare the 2 setups to each other, & the competition, I think you would make the best judge of that.
I also dont want to sacrifice a clean plug & play install, or risk burning, melting, or compromising the life of anything by these changes if thats now an issue.
If in your opinion neither of these is an issue with these chnages, I would say go for it. Looking forward to your response. :thumbup:
While brighter is better to most, I would say that its good up to a point. I wouldn't want them to be so bright that they become ricey/garish looking, and stand out in a bad way. I know looks are a totally subjective thing, but since only you can see things firsthand, and can compare the 2 setups to each other, & the competition, I think you would make the best judge of that.
I also dont want to sacrifice a clean plug & play install, or risk burning, melting, or compromising the life of anything by these changes if thats now an issue.
If in your opinion neither of these is an issue with these chnages, I would say go for it. Looking forward to your response. :thumbup:
can we see a picture of how the lights would look in the angel eyes vs standalone? that would probably give us a better idea of what it would actually look like, and we can judge from there.
personally, i wouldnt want to sacrifice the plug n play installation, and the brightness looks fine. I am more concerned with color vs. brightness (dont like blue tint).
that said, i am fine with design as is as long as you can get color to 6000k
personally, i wouldnt want to sacrifice the plug n play installation, and the brightness looks fine. I am more concerned with color vs. brightness (dont like blue tint).
that said, i am fine with design as is as long as you can get color to 6000k
A few weeks ago I put in my CC info and I am a paid customer. This is what I'm looking for;
1. Ability to run AEs as DRLs. Brightness does not have to be crazy, enough to serve this prupose close enough.
2. Plug and Play as close as possible. I'm somehwere between a mechanical idiot with some wrenching ability. I want something that won't give me a headache to install. I wouldn't want to have to splice anything.
3. Durabilty! I want to be able to install this thing and not have to every worry about it again. Until the bulbs go.
4. Pure white light, no color or blue tint.
THANKS!
1. Ability to run AEs as DRLs. Brightness does not have to be crazy, enough to serve this prupose close enough.
2. Plug and Play as close as possible. I'm somehwere between a mechanical idiot with some wrenching ability. I want something that won't give me a headache to install. I wouldn't want to have to splice anything.
3. Durabilty! I want to be able to install this thing and not have to every worry about it again. Until the bulbs go.
4. Pure white light, no color or blue tint.
THANKS!
2> Ditto - see optional hanress response above.
3> We ran it for 24 hours straight, not one issue, we'll be running it again 2 more 24 hour straight runs to see if we can break the new prototype or even melt it. It seems to reach a steady operating temp at 4 minutes and doesn't deviate from there.
4> Right - 6000K it is.
I'd have to say I'm mostly with the others. I bought two sets so my opinion counts twice as much (LOL, j/k!).
I want white - not purple or blue at all - but white like the headlights. I'd like them to be visible even with the headlights on but they do not have to be as bright as the sun. I prefer plug and play and most definitely want DRL capability.
I want white - not purple or blue at all - but white like the headlights. I'd like them to be visible even with the headlights on but they do not have to be as bright as the sun. I prefer plug and play and most definitely want DRL capability.
I've paid and am waiting for delivery of this product.
IMO, the color temp looks good. Aren't the OEM 4500K?
I don't think one more month of waiting is a big deal, however, I don't really like the idea of an external heat sink. I'm sure this would cause more problems.
The fact that this is completely plug and play is a huge upside.
The color temp now I can live with.
That's my 2c.
IMO, the color temp looks good. Aren't the OEM 4500K?
I don't think one more month of waiting is a big deal, however, I don't really like the idea of an external heat sink. I'm sure this would cause more problems.
The fact that this is completely plug and play is a huge upside.
The color temp now I can live with.
That's my 2c.
OEM = 3000K for angel eyes
External heat sink comments noted, we're going ahead with this design it looks like for Version 1 and beginning elegant designs for the "new and improved version" for Version 2 later down the road - which will likely be much much brighter. Think of it as "iPod Mini and iPod"
Lowest priority is what we are looking for.
I think 6000K or 6500K is starting to get too high, I would rather see it be around 5000K, which would be closer to the OEM xenons. I wonder if you could offer the product with different color temp LED's inside for people who have different color xenons?
Another product I would like to see would be a set of these that light up the same color as the stock AE, around 3000K - 3500K or so. I like the color of my stock Hella AE's but they are not bright enough. I think the halogen light color contrasts well with the xenon, and makes them stand out more.
Another product I would like to see would be a set of these that light up the same color as the stock AE, around 3000K - 3500K or so. I like the color of my stock Hella AE's but they are not bright enough. I think the halogen light color contrasts well with the xenon, and makes them stand out more.
Second paragraph - not an option. We will not be offereing them in 3000K at all. When we offered 3000K for the Chromiums - which are brighter - we've had 10 out of 500 purchase the 3000K. So we will not be offering this product option.
[quote name='samps;1871812]Yes' date=' that's what I was getting at. OEM HID is around 4300K (not the OE AE's, sorry), so if they are currently at 5000K, I think that would be better than 6000-6500K.[/QUOTE']
Agreed and understood.
Hope that helped!:thumbup: