Will the M3 be faster than the M5?
10-28-2005, 03:29 PM
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I was just doing a comparison to the Mercedes C55 AMG to try to get some idea how fast the new M3 will be. The C55 weighs 3605 lbs and has 362 hp. Its 0 to 60 is listed at 4.8. The new M3 will have 400 hp. The 330i sedan weighs only 3450 lbs, so an M3 coupe should weigh less than that. The engine will weigh more, so even supposing that the M3 will weigh slightly more than 3450 lbs, it should still be faster than the C55, meaning its 0 to 60 time will be less than 4.8. The 0 to 60 times I have seen for the M5 are from 4.5 to 4.7. The M3 should be just as fast as the M5, possibly even slightly faster. Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by jtsutton1' date='Oct 28 2005, 04:29 PM
I was just doing a comparison to the Mercedes C55 AMG to try to get some idea how fast the new M3 will be.? The C55 weighs 3605 lbs and has 362 hp.? Its 0 to 60 is listed at 4.8.? The new M3 will have 400 hp.? The 330i sedan weighs only 3450 lbs, so an M3 coupe should weigh less than that.? The engine will weigh more, so even supposing that the M3 will weigh slightly more than 3450 lbs, it should still be faster than the C55, meaning its 0 to 60 time will be less than 4.8.? The 0 to 60 times I have seen for the M5 are from 4.5 to 4.7.? The M3 should be just as fast as the M5, possibly even slightly faster.? Your thoughts?
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10-30-2005, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by The Don' date='Oct 29 2005, 03:50 AM
[quote name='jtsutton1' date='Oct 28 2005, 04:29 PM']I was just doing a comparison to the Mercedes C55 AMG to try to get some idea how fast the new M3 will be.? The C55 weighs 3605 lbs and has 362 hp.? Its 0 to 60 is listed at 4.8.? The new M3 will have 400 hp.? The 330i sedan weighs only 3450 lbs, so an M3 coupe should weigh less than that.? The engine will weigh more, so even supposing that the M3 will weigh slightly more than 3450 lbs, it should still be faster than the C55, meaning its 0 to 60 time will be less than 4.8.? The 0 to 60 times I have seen for the M5 are from 4.5 to 4.7.? The M3 should be just as fast as the M5, possibly even slightly faster.? Your thoughts?
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[/quote]Yes the new m3 should be faster at drag than the m5. I recon a time 0-100km/h of 4.7 seconds...just as the m5....but in a drag there will be difference beacuase the new m3 will be lighter...especially after 100km/h.
10-30-2005, 10:26 AM
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Remember the M5 will be a 7 spd. I haven't seen the ratios in the trans, but an extra gear through which to rev an 8000 rpm engine has to be good for performance, assuming the power can get to the ground.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' date='Oct 30 2005, 05:33 PM
E90 M3 will be faster from 0-60 (or 0-100km/h).? In the long run, the E60 M5 will pull away.
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Originally Posted by jtsutton1' date='Oct 28 2005, 06:29 PM
I was just doing a comparison to the Mercedes C55 AMG to try to get some idea how fast the new M3 will be.? The C55 weighs 3605 lbs and has 362 hp.? Its 0 to 60 is listed at 4.8.? The new M3 will have 400 hp.? The 330i sedan weighs only 3450 lbs, so an M3 coupe should weigh less than that.? The engine will weigh more, so even supposing that the M3 will weigh slightly more than 3450 lbs, it should still be faster than the C55, meaning its 0 to 60 time will be less than 4.8.? The 0 to 60 times I have seen for the M5 are from 4.5 to 4.7.? The M3 should be just as fast as the M5, possibly even slightly faster.? Your thoughts?
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Its a tough call
I think they are probably even on the 0-60mph, but from 3rd gear onwards I think the M5 might have the lead due to its enormous torque 
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Originally Posted by gasterus' post='192364' date='Nov 2 2005, 07:10 AM
[quote name='jtsutton1' date='Oct 28 2005, 06:29 PM']I was just doing a comparison to the Mercedes C55 AMG to try to get some idea how fast the new M3 will be.? The C55 weighs 3605 lbs and has 362 hp.? Its 0 to 60 is listed at 4.8.? The new M3 will have 400 hp.? The 330i sedan weighs only 3450 lbs, so an M3 coupe should weigh less than that.? The engine will weigh more, so even supposing that the M3 will weigh slightly more than 3450 lbs, it should still be faster than the C55, meaning its 0 to 60 time will be less than 4.8.? The 0 to 60 times I have seen for the M5 are from 4.5 to 4.7.? The M3 should be just as fast as the M5, possibly even slightly faster.? Your thoughts?
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Its a tough call
I think they are probably even on the 0-60mph, but from 3rd gear onwards I think the M5 might have the lead due to its enormous torque [/quote]
Enormous torque? 520 NM isn't that gigantic. And please keep in mind that the new v8 will be derived from the v10...so it will have almost the same characteristics only scaled down a lottle bit...and if you think that the m3 will be a much lighter car...then u'll realise that the m5 might not be so backed up by that "enormous torque".
11-13-2005, 10:18 AM
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C'mon, the 5 is going to walk the 3 from legal speed limits on up.
There's no getting around it, HP vs. aerodynamics. Buzzed out, foot in the throttle at 120, weight really isn't an issue. With 500+ hp, and enough gears to shift like a close ratio F1 box at high speeds, I don't see much hanging with the M5 up top. Even if the M3 is a 400 hp V8. Admittedly, I don't know what will be in the M3, so I shouldn't comment like I do know.
A C6 Z06 would be a good race, probably give it to the Vette, but just barely. And it's putting out 530+ hp.
There's no getting around it, HP vs. aerodynamics. Buzzed out, foot in the throttle at 120, weight really isn't an issue. With 500+ hp, and enough gears to shift like a close ratio F1 box at high speeds, I don't see much hanging with the M5 up top. Even if the M3 is a 400 hp V8. Admittedly, I don't know what will be in the M3, so I shouldn't comment like I do know.
A C6 Z06 would be a good race, probably give it to the Vette, but just barely. And it's putting out 530+ hp.
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Originally Posted by TB CD' post='197719' date='Nov 13 2005, 02:18 PM
C'mon, the 5 is going to walk the 3 from legal speed limits on up.
There's no getting around it, HP vs. aerodynamics. Buzzed out, foot in the throttle at 120, weight really isn't an issue. With 500+ hp, and enough gears to shift like a close ratio F1 box at high speeds, I don't see much hanging with the M5 up top. Even if the M3 is a 400 hp V8. Admittedly, I don't know what will be in the M3, so I shouldn't comment like I do know.
A C6 Z06 would be a good race, probably give it to the Vette, but just barely. And it's putting out 530+ hp.
There's no getting around it, HP vs. aerodynamics. Buzzed out, foot in the throttle at 120, weight really isn't an issue. With 500+ hp, and enough gears to shift like a close ratio F1 box at high speeds, I don't see much hanging with the M5 up top. Even if the M3 is a 400 hp V8. Admittedly, I don't know what will be in the M3, so I shouldn't comment like I do know.
A C6 Z06 would be a good race, probably give it to the Vette, but just barely. And it's putting out 530+ hp.
at any speed weight is an issue! Trust me...if you want record the time it takes (at any speed) to accelerate when u are alone and then with 3-4 people in it repeat the process. (and don't record a 80-100km/h test, do it on longer stretches, even from stand still).
Everybody knows that in a fast car weight is the killer. Hell, weight is the killer in any car.
Look at the difference between M3 CSL and standard E46 M3. With only 17 bhp more AND >150kilos and there u have it.
And yes, we were talking about the future m3, the e90, wich for sure will have a V8 4liter and around 400bhp.