Lomag

PS. Just my prediction:

Bush: ~305 electoral votes
Kerry: ~230 electoral votes

I dont know how the electoral vote system works but I think it's nonsense. Whoever gets the most votes should win but I'd imagine the electoral votes are distributed based on population per state and such so there shouldn't be large discrepancy. Another issue...

Well we'll see! We'll all be glued to CNN on the evening of Nov 2nd.

juan2mini

Don't think I understand either the sport or cattle analogies. I think by reviewing this thread people can understand that Americans take their elections very seriously. There are many good people in America that are passionate about their candidate, whomever that may be.

Member545

Here is a pretty good description of the Electoral College

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/15/....map/index.html

if you click on CNN Electoral College Outlook on the right side it shows their prediction as of today.

Bush 277
Kerry 261

But Kerry picked up Ohio, New Hampshire today, so more will follow.

Flowerfred

You can always trust the Americans to take themselves seriously.. You have to understand this passion Americans tend to demonstrate at any available occasion strikes me as funny, if not irritating. Somehow it reminds me of those Jehovas witnesses that get me out of bed on a Sunday to meet my dog..
Get off the soap box please.

Still, I love you all, you drive nice cars.

jtxc

"You can always trust the Americans to take themselves seriously.. You have to understand this passion Americans tend to demonstrate at any available occasion strikes me as funny, if not irritating. Somehow it reminds me of those Jehovas witnesses that get me out of bed on a Sunday to meet my dog..
Get off the soap box please."




Now I'm getting.....................

JDN

Thank you. Now have at it.

JDN

Absolutely right, Dennis. Failure to vote is a vote for the prevailing side.

Jimbo

The electoral college is a dinsaour (sp). Even if you vote, the electoral votes can overule the popular vote getter.

So some people say it doesn't matter if they vote.

JDN

Remember, Jimbo, the Founding Fathers (the other FF) left us with a republic, not a democracy.

JDN

written by Mathew Manweller...
Central WA Univ. political science professor...

"Election determines fate of nation"

"In that this will be my last column before the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.

"This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.

"First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.

"Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.

"It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its 'greatest generation'. But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as 'being an American.' But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve. I believe that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and
see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."

Mathew Manweller