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07-16-2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by alohalc' date='Jul 17 2005, 01:56 AM
why bother with a sl65 then 
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Originally Posted by SG535d' post='149497' date='Jul 15 2005, 08:59 PM
Pulled up behind a SL55 AMG this evening on the motorway. We were both caught in traffic, but when it cleared he put his foot down but I kept a reasonably equal distance between us - i.e. he didn't get away 
This happened twice (he had to slow down for traffic), I think he was shocked that this black bmw wasn't disappearing in his rear view mirror
Are these cars not that fast, is the dms 535d just absolutely brilliant, or was he not trying?
This happened twice (he had to slow down for traffic), I think he was shocked that this black bmw wasn't disappearing in his rear view mirror Are these cars not that fast, is the dms 535d just absolutely brilliant, or was he not trying?
digging throught the whole lounge, this has got to be the stupidest remark i have ever seen
02-09-2006, 03:41 AM
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Yeah but where is the diplomacy and tolerance?
He might not be such a car freak to know all the hp/torque numbers and their perofrmances. Anyways maybe the guy didn't try or the car had some problems or both or who knows?!
Why do you put him to the wall for not being as knowing as u are?
He might not be such a car freak to know all the hp/torque numbers and their perofrmances. Anyways maybe the guy didn't try or the car had some problems or both or who knows?!
Why do you put him to the wall for not being as knowing as u are?
02-09-2006, 04:11 AM
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Pulled up behind a SL55 AMG this evening on the motorway. We were both caught in traffic, but when it cleared he put his foot down but I kept a reasonably equal distance between us - i.e. he didn't get away This happened twice (he had to slow down for traffic), I think he was shocked that this black bmw wasn't disappearing in his rear view mirror
Are these cars not that fast, is the dms 535d just absolutely brilliant, or was he not trying?
This happened twice (he had to slow down for traffic), I think he was shocked that this black bmw wasn't disappearing in his rear view mirror Are these cars not that fast, is the dms 535d just absolutely brilliant, or was he not trying?
digging throught the whole lounge, this has got to be the stupidest remark i have ever seen
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That's a bit harsh. In the real world, the difference between a 535D that's been DMS'd & an SL55 is hardly light years. When the 0-60 is only .8 sec difference, it's not beyond comprehention that a race or traffic light GP could be close. The torque figures are almost the same & the DMS E60 is lighter, with slightly better in gear performance, so the win would not go to the SL as a gimme.
On paper the SL should win, but certainly not by a country mile so the OP was fair to ask the question.
02-09-2006, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SG535d' post='149497' date='Jul 15 2005, 08:59 PM
Pulled up behind a SL55 AMG this evening on the motorway. We were both caught in traffic, but when it cleared he put his foot down but I kept a reasonably equal distance between us - i.e. he didn't get away This happened twice (he had to slow down for traffic), I think he was shocked that this black bmw wasn't disappearing in his rear view mirror
Are these cars not that fast, is the dms 535d just absolutely brilliant, or was he not trying?
This happened twice (he had to slow down for traffic), I think he was shocked that this black bmw wasn't disappearing in his rear view mirror Are these cars not that fast, is the dms 535d just absolutely brilliant, or was he not trying?
digging throught the whole lounge, this has got to be the stupidest remark i have ever seen
On paper the SL should win, but certainly not by a country mile so the OP was fair to ask the question.
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Exactly it's not like comparing a mclaren slr with a bmw 316i.
02-09-2006, 09:49 AM
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02-09-2006, 06:16 PM
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people are you absolutely insane or are you taking the piss ? obviously a ?39000 car can compete with a ?131000 car sl55 amg vs m6
sl vs 400bhp evo8
the sl55 amg will hit 100km/s in 4.4seconds actually... the DMS does it in 5.6-5.8 depending on whose info you look at
the 1.4second difference is to 100km ... from 0-200 the sl55 is about 9seconds quicker. it will hit 330km before the 535d has even reached 220km ...I have been in a 550hp supra that couldnt pull away from an sl55 amg even though it had the biggest garett turbo ever.
I have also been a passenger in a race between a 545i and an sl55 amg, and the sl55 amg had gone within 5 seconds it was at least 50meters away.
In gear performance only matters for motorway cruising, and the sl55 has more torque in any given gear (5-speed) than the 535d
You obviously dont have a clue. Bettermakeway, you of all people should know better. remember what happened with the m5 that you had raced with ??? now you tell me you can race an sl55 amg and you will almost be behind him ? they guy wasnt even trying . If you put a driver that has any urge to race the sl55 it will be gone ......
right. to measure total torque output you have to find the area under the torque curve...
SL55 AMG produces 700nm from 2300-5000rpm and from 5000 to 6750rpm it produces in excess of 600nm
the dmd 535d produces a peak of 660nm at 2700-3600, then in excess of 530 until 4800rpm... and then nothing
you compare the m6 with the sl55 amg... not a 535d however chipped, even if it produced 400bhp and 800nm... I would have thought that this would be in your heads till now...
also if you really want why dont you compare a DMS 535d with a Kleemann Stage 2 (not stage 3 or any other up till 8) SL55 amg, with modified software and pulley ... which produces 595bhp/950nm ?
http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/ca...p?view.548.0.20
also of interest , an sl65 stock (similar spec to SL55 AMG_K2) hitting 0-100mph in 8.60seconds , the DMS 535d does it in 15.3seconds
http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/ca...p?view.581.0.20
sl vs 400bhp evo8
the sl55 amg will hit 100km/s in 4.4seconds actually... the DMS does it in 5.6-5.8 depending on whose info you look at
the 1.4second difference is to 100km ... from 0-200 the sl55 is about 9seconds quicker. it will hit 330km before the 535d has even reached 220km ...I have been in a 550hp supra that couldnt pull away from an sl55 amg even though it had the biggest garett turbo ever.
I have also been a passenger in a race between a 545i and an sl55 amg, and the sl55 amg had gone within 5 seconds it was at least 50meters away.
In gear performance only matters for motorway cruising, and the sl55 has more torque in any given gear (5-speed) than the 535d
You obviously dont have a clue. Bettermakeway, you of all people should know better. remember what happened with the m5 that you had raced with ??? now you tell me you can race an sl55 amg and you will almost be behind him ? they guy wasnt even trying . If you put a driver that has any urge to race the sl55 it will be gone ......
Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='237261' date='Feb 9 2006, 01:11 PM
That's a bit harsh. In the real world, the difference between a 535D that's been DMS'd & an SL55 is hardly light years. When the 0-60 is only .8 sec difference, it's not beyond comprehention that a race or traffic light GP could be close. The torque figures are almost the same & the DMS E60 is lighter, with slightly better in gear performance, so the win would not go to the SL as a gimme.
On paper the SL should win, but certainly not by a country mile so the OP was fair to ask the question.
On paper the SL should win, but certainly not by a country mile so the OP was fair to ask the question.
SL55 AMG produces 700nm from 2300-5000rpm and from 5000 to 6750rpm it produces in excess of 600nm
the dmd 535d produces a peak of 660nm at 2700-3600, then in excess of 530 until 4800rpm... and then nothing
you compare the m6 with the sl55 amg... not a 535d however chipped, even if it produced 400bhp and 800nm... I would have thought that this would be in your heads till now...
also if you really want why dont you compare a DMS 535d with a Kleemann Stage 2 (not stage 3 or any other up till 8) SL55 amg, with modified software and pulley ... which produces 595bhp/950nm ?
http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/ca...p?view.548.0.20
also of interest , an sl65 stock (similar spec to SL55 AMG_K2) hitting 0-100mph in 8.60seconds , the DMS 535d does it in 15.3seconds
http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/ca...p?view.581.0.20
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I didn't say the 535d would win. My God! It would be the most insane remark. I just said you were a bit harsh in that statement and agreed on light years remark. 
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That's a bit harsh. In the real world, the difference between a 535D that's been DMS'd & an SL55 is hardly light years. When the 0-60 is only .8 sec difference, it's not beyond comprehention that a race or traffic light GP could be close. The torque figures are almost the same & the DMS E60 is lighter, with slightly better in gear performance, so the win would not go to the SL as a gimme.
On paper the SL should win, but certainly not by a country mile so the OP was fair to ask the question.
On paper the SL should win, but certainly not by a country mile so the OP was fair to ask the question.
SL55 AMG produces 700nm from 2300-5000rpm and from 5000 to 6750rpm it produces in excess of 600nm
the dmd 535d produces a peak of 660nm at 2700-3600, then in excess of 530 until 4800rpm... and then nothing
you compare the m6 with the sl55 amg... not a 535d however chipped, even if it produced 400bhp and 800nm... I would have thought that this would be in your heads till now...
also if you really want why dont you compare a DMS 535d with a Kleemann Stage 2 (not stage 3 or any other up till 8) SL55 amg, with modified software and pulley ... which produces 595bhp/950nm ?
http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/ca...p?view.548.0.20
also of interest , an sl65 stock (similar spec to SL55 AMG_K2) hitting 0-100mph in 8.60seconds , the DMS 535d does it in 15.3seconds
http://www.fastdrive.org/1/p/car-videos/ca...p?view.581.0.20
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Back down a little bit
.No-one is saying that a 535D (DMS or not) would beat an SL55, that's just carzy, however having driven them & many other high perfomance saloons, the real world differences are not huge between a DMS 535D & a standard SL55. The SL would win, but not by a huge margin. You've proved that the torque differences are not vast by any stretch.
Not sure why you chose to throw Kleemann into the equation, unless you were stating Modified vs Modified. I've driven a Kleeman SL65 with over 660BHP & believe me it's insanley fast & at a recent event i attended in my modified RS6, it crucified my RS6 & the modified E60 M5 along with almost everything else except the RUF GT2 (modified). However at higher speeds it does start to lag, as the best it could achieve on the runway was 190MPH, yet my RS6 & the modified E60 M5 could manage 181MPH, so again not a massive difference.
I've raced an SL55 in my modifed RS6 & i won the race consistently, as did the DMS modified E60 M5 that was at the same event, now that i own a DMS E60 535D i'm telling you the differences are not great, but the SL55 would win. Of course the Kleemann SL65 would crucify the 535D, M5 & SL55 as it would many other cars.
No intention of argueing over the stats as my experiences are real world & current, but my point was that the OP's question was hardly that stupid. As stated above, if it was SLR vs 316i, that would be a little different.
That said, i nearly bought a CLS55 AMG, as i just love the way they look & the SL55 or 65 are amazing cars, however im not quite old enough yet for a big Merc or a rag top.