Formula One 2008 (Rd.16, JAPANESE GRAND PRIX)
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Originally Posted by Jambers' post='664493' date='Sep 8 2008, 06:09 AM
Even last year, when 250 million people could see in China that his rear tyre was "canvassing" they left him out, only to lose! That might have been the teams fault, but who knows who was forced...
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Revised positions after 44 laps.
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1. Massa (Ferrari)
2. Heidfeld (BMW Sauber)
3. Hamilton (McLaren) *** (Won the race but suffered a 25sec. penalty)
4. Alonso (Renault)
5. Vettel (Toro Rosso)
6. Kubica (BWM Sauber)
7. Bourdais (Toro Rosso)
8. Webber (Red Bull)
In case you missed the race, (like I did
) here are the last 3 laps of Spa judge for yourself.
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1. Massa (Ferrari)
2. Heidfeld (BMW Sauber)
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3. Hamilton (McLaren) *** (Won the race but suffered a 25sec. penalty)
4. Alonso (Renault)
5. Vettel (Toro Rosso)
6. Kubica (BWM Sauber)
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7. Bourdais (Toro Rosso)
8. Webber (Red Bull)
In case you missed the race, (like I did
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Wonder where the 25 second penalty came from? And why 25s? Why that amount? Is that specific amount in the rules anywhere, or did they just "decide"?
Kimi fell off the track on his own steam WHILST ahead of Lewis....why not 10s, or enough to make Lewis 2nd place? How can they be so specific? I'm sure it's all about viewing figures, not letting somone win...and keeping the top two as close together as possible...and knowing british sportsmen, Lewis will get all "tight" and lose consistency when he needs it and Ferrarri will win drivers and constructors......may be he'll prove me wrong
And the FIA court will just support the stewards anyway....
You can see I have strong feelings about this charade
Kimi fell off the track on his own steam WHILST ahead of Lewis....why not 10s, or enough to make Lewis 2nd place? How can they be so specific? I'm sure it's all about viewing figures, not letting somone win...and keeping the top two as close together as possible...and knowing british sportsmen, Lewis will get all "tight" and lose consistency when he needs it and Ferrarri will win drivers and constructors......may be he'll prove me wrong
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And the FIA court will just support the stewards anyway....
You can see I have strong feelings about this charade
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Originally Posted by Jambers' post='664591' date='Sep 8 2008, 11:40 AM
Wonder where the 25 second penalty came from? And why 25s? Why that amount? Is that specific amount in the rules anywhere, or did they just "decide"?
Kimi fell off the track on his own steam WHILST ahead of Lewis....why not 10s, or enough to make Lewis 2nd place? How can they be so specific? I'm sure it's all about viewing figures, not letting somone win...and keeping the top two as close together as possible...and knowing british sportsmen, Lewis will get all "tight" and lose consistency when he needs it and Ferrarri will win drivers and constructors......may be he'll prove me wrong
And the FIA court will just support the stewards anyway....
You can see I have strong feelings about this charade![Tongue](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/tongue.gif)
Kimi fell off the track on his own steam WHILST ahead of Lewis....why not 10s, or enough to make Lewis 2nd place? How can they be so specific? I'm sure it's all about viewing figures, not letting somone win...and keeping the top two as close together as possible...and knowing british sportsmen, Lewis will get all "tight" and lose consistency when he needs it and Ferrarri will win drivers and constructors......may be he'll prove me wrong
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And the FIA court will just support the stewards anyway....
You can see I have strong feelings about this charade
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Driver penalties
Stewards have the power to impose various penalties on a driver if he commits an offence during a race. Offences may include jumping the start, causing an avoidable accident, unfairly blocking another driver, impeding another driver when being lapped, speeding in the pit lane etc.
The two most common types are the drive-through penalty and the ten-second time penalty. In the case of the former, the driver must enter the pits, drive through the pit lane at the pit-lane speed limit and rejoin the race without stopping. Depending on the length of the pit lane this can cost a driver a significant amount of time.
More severe is the ten-second time penalty (also commonly known as a stop-go penalty) where the driver must not only enter the pits, but must also stop for ten seconds at his pit before rejoining the race. During this time the driver?s team are not permitted to work on the car.
In extreme cases the stewards may choose to enforce a third type of penalty whereby they can force a driver to drop ten grid positions at the next Grand Prix. So even if the driver in question goes on to qualify in pole position, he will in fact start that race from 11th place.
In the case of the drive-through penalty and the ten-second time penalty, a driver has three laps, from the time his team is notified, to enter the pits (failure to do so may result in a black flag and the driver being excluded from the race).
The only exception is when the penalty is awarded during the final five laps of the race. In this case the driver may continue and complete the race. However, 25 seconds will be added to his total race time, which may drop him considerably in the final race standings.
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A couple quotes from ex-F1 drivers, about the horrible call against Lewis.
Niki Lauda:
"This is the worst judgment in the history of F1," he slammed. "The most perverted judgment I have ever seen." "It's absolutely unacceptable when three functionaries (the stewards) influence the championship like this," Lauda added.
Ralf Schumacher:
"Lewis deserved to win but it was taken away," Schumacher. "In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in F1,which we have seen in many situations," he insisted.
Niki Lauda:
"This is the worst judgment in the history of F1," he slammed. "The most perverted judgment I have ever seen." "It's absolutely unacceptable when three functionaries (the stewards) influence the championship like this," Lauda added.
Ralf Schumacher:
"Lewis deserved to win but it was taken away," Schumacher. "In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in F1,which we have seen in many situations," he insisted.
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1 S Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1m 35.555
2 H Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren 1:37.631
3 M Webber (Aus) Red Bull 1:38.177
4 S Bourdais (Fr) Toro Ross 1:38.445
5 N Rosberg (Ger) Williams 1:38.767
6 F Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1:38.894
7 J Trulli (It) Toyota 1:39.152
8 F Alonso (Sp) Renault 1:39.751
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1 S Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1m 35.555
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2 H Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren 1:37.631
3 M Webber (Aus) Red Bull 1:38.177
4 S Bourdais (Fr) Toro Ross 1:38.445
5 N Rosberg (Ger) Williams 1:38.767
6 F Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1:38.894
7 J Trulli (It) Toyota 1:39.152
8 F Alonso (Sp) Renault 1:39.751
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Originally Posted by MiamiPhill' post='668575' date='Sep 13 2008, 07:26 AM
Italian Grand Prix qualifying result:
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1 S Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1m 35.555
2 H Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren 1:37.631
3 M Webber (Aus) Red Bull 1:38.177
4 S Bourdais (Fr) Toro Ross 1:38.445
5 N Rosberg (Ger) Williams 1:38.767
6 F Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1:38.894
7 J Trulli (It) Toyota 1:39.152
8 F Alonso (Sp) Renault 1:39.751
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1 S Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso 1m 35.555
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2 H Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren 1:37.631
3 M Webber (Aus) Red Bull 1:38.177
4 S Bourdais (Fr) Toro Ross 1:38.445
5 N Rosberg (Ger) Williams 1:38.767
6 F Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1:38.894
7 J Trulli (It) Toyota 1:39.152
8 F Alonso (Sp) Renault 1:39.751
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='668579' date='Sep 13 2008, 10:33 AM
Wow - that's going to make a for a great race tomorrow, but what a result for Vettel and Toro Rosso. Amazing to see Hamiliton and McLaren mess this up, generally speaking you'd expect Lewis to take advantage of the wet conditions but that didn't happen at all. Going to be an interesting race, guys...!
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Originally Posted by MiamiPhill' post='668586' date='Sep 13 2008, 10:54 AM
+1 Maybe what F1 needs is a randomly activated track sprinkler system to make things interesting. ![Laughing](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/laughing.gif)
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