Al Megrahi Release (1988 bombing of Pan Am 103)
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Originally Posted by Lancaster' post='988362' date='Aug 25 2009, 02:34 PM
Our Justice Minister is in the Scottish Nationalist Party, which has the key aim of complete separation from England, so you can forget all the conspiracy theories involving the Queen and the UK Prime Minister.
There has been some suggestion that because Megrahi showed no compassion for the victims, we shouldn't show compassion for him as he nears death. In my view, and indeed in the eyes of many others, this would be stooping to the standards of the terrorists - they would effectively be influencing our moral standards. That shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Whether you agree with him or not, the Scottish Justice Minister has shown considerable character in taking a decision that he believed in. He knew that it would be unpopular with a lot of people (though does have considerable support too). In the end, he decided not to drop his standards for this terrorist but to operate according to his own moral compass. That makes him a bigger man.
The issue of whether Megrahi is truly guilty or innocent is not directly relevant here. The decision was taken on the basis of him being found guilty in a Scottish Court.
There has been some suggestion that because Megrahi showed no compassion for the victims, we shouldn't show compassion for him as he nears death. In my view, and indeed in the eyes of many others, this would be stooping to the standards of the terrorists - they would effectively be influencing our moral standards. That shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Whether you agree with him or not, the Scottish Justice Minister has shown considerable character in taking a decision that he believed in. He knew that it would be unpopular with a lot of people (though does have considerable support too). In the end, he decided not to drop his standards for this terrorist but to operate according to his own moral compass. That makes him a bigger man.
The issue of whether Megrahi is truly guilty or innocent is not directly relevant here. The decision was taken on the basis of him being found guilty in a Scottish Court.
One of the main aims of the party is to make Scotland an independent again this is true, they seem to be the only party that genuinely cares or listens to the people of Scotland. They are also the only party that doesnt take their orders from bosses in Westminster.
Regarding conspiracies I am not convinced that this whole affair didnt have some behind the scenes involvment of the UK Government, too many coincedencies with trade agreements for my liking.
If we allow terrorists to influence who we are then they have won, we cant ever allow this to happen we are all better than that. Scotland is by no means tolerant of terrorists, you only have to look at the Glasgow Airport incident to know this.
The issue of guilty or not guilty may never be answered, however, I am not pleased that some evidence may have been deliberately withheld from the trial. We already know about the break in at Heathrow's baggage terminal being kept hush hush for 12 years, what else has been stamped as Top Secret that we dont know about. Why are we sending our troops to far away lands to put their lives on the line to bring other countries democracy if we treat our own citizens with contempt, I think the victims families at least deserve to know the truth.
I think it is good to have a discussion, we may not agree 100% of the time but at least we can do so without everyone falling out.
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Originally Posted by CWS530' post='986683' date='Aug 23 2009, 10:50 PM
They should have pushed him out of the plane on the way home. A$$hole.
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Originally Posted by Bob525D' post='989322' date='Aug 26 2009, 01:32 PM
Nice to hear from a fellow Scot.
One of the main aims of the party is to make Scotland an independent again this is true, they seem to be the only party that genuinely cares or listens to the people of Scotland. They are also the only party that doesnt take their orders from bosses in Westminster.
Regarding conspiracies I am not convinced that this whole affair didnt have some behind the scenes involvment of the UK Government, too many coincedencies with trade agreements for my liking.
If we allow terrorists to influence who we are then they have won, we cant ever allow this to happen we are all better than that. Scotland is by no means tolerant of terrorists, you only have to look at the Glasgow Airport incident to know this.
The issue of guilty or not guilty may never be answered, however, I am not pleased that some evidence may have been deliberately withheld from the trial. We already know about the break in at Heathrow's baggage terminal being kept hush hush for 12 years, what else has been stamped as Top Secret that we dont know about. Why are we sending our troops to far away lands to put their lives on the line to bring other countries democracy if we treat our own citizens with contempt, I think the victims families at least deserve to know the truth.
I think it is good to have a discussion, we may not agree 100% of the time but at least we can do so without everyone falling out.
One of the main aims of the party is to make Scotland an independent again this is true, they seem to be the only party that genuinely cares or listens to the people of Scotland. They are also the only party that doesnt take their orders from bosses in Westminster.
Regarding conspiracies I am not convinced that this whole affair didnt have some behind the scenes involvment of the UK Government, too many coincedencies with trade agreements for my liking.
If we allow terrorists to influence who we are then they have won, we cant ever allow this to happen we are all better than that. Scotland is by no means tolerant of terrorists, you only have to look at the Glasgow Airport incident to know this.
The issue of guilty or not guilty may never be answered, however, I am not pleased that some evidence may have been deliberately withheld from the trial. We already know about the break in at Heathrow's baggage terminal being kept hush hush for 12 years, what else has been stamped as Top Secret that we dont know about. Why are we sending our troops to far away lands to put their lives on the line to bring other countries democracy if we treat our own citizens with contempt, I think the victims families at least deserve to know the truth.
I think it is good to have a discussion, we may not agree 100% of the time but at least we can do so without everyone falling out.
Most cases have questions and unanswered questions, thus the appeals process... This may be the most obscene political sodomy of my lifetime. Party hat and kazoos for the bad guys. I can not believe that anyone would even take a stab at defending this one.
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Originally Posted by rogerj' post='990906' date='Aug 27 2009, 08:44 PM
Bob, too many coincidents for my liking as well. The Scots have a long history. I would love to see the compassionate precedent for the release of mass murderers. or murderers in general in the recent history of Scottish law. I bet my life that no precedent or no comparable release has ever happened in recent Scottish history. Yet the most notorious, largest mass murderer is set free? Are you Fuc%^& kiddin me?
Most cases have questions and unanswered questions, thus the appeals process... This may be the most obscene political sodomy of my lifetime. Party hat and kazoos for the bad guys. I can not believe that anyone would even take a stab at defending this one.
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Do you even know anything about this case, have you looked at the evidence at all. Nowadays evidence like that wouldn't even make it to court, it would be thrown out. In this case the evidence was pretty ropey to say the least, coupled with the fact that some evidence was withheld from the trial makes a mockery of my countries justice system. Pretty hard to go through the appeal process if you are dead isn't it, what chance would he have with his appeal if some evidence that may clear his name has been stamped top secret. Even the father of one of the victims Jim Swire supported the decision because he believes that this man was wrongly convicted.
I find it rather strange for you to critise my countrys justice system when your system is far from perfect, what about Kenny Ritchie who was locked up on Death Row for 21 years for a crime that he couldnt have commited. They only agreed to release him if he dropped his appeal, sounds familiar eh. Or what about the practice of locking people up and toturing them without even giving them a trial or legal representation, you are hardly speaking from the moral high ground.
And for your talk of cutting diplomatic ties or a boycott, do what you feel is right.
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Originally Posted by Bob525D' post='991478' date='Aug 28 2009, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CWS530' post='991506' date='Aug 28 2009, 12:41 PM
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I am off to Florida on October for 2 weeks and I must say for the 1st time ever in my life I am embarrassed to be Scottish.
This was ONE mans decision ( well on the face of it) and NOT the Scottish people. For me he should have died in jail.
I think there is much more going on under the surface that we will never know about.
Makes me kind of apprehensive about going to Florida this time whereas The family and I normally love it. I am sure it will be fine once there but makes me wonder all the same.
Sad day!!
This was ONE mans decision ( well on the face of it) and NOT the Scottish people. For me he should have died in jail.
I think there is much more going on under the surface that we will never know about.
Makes me kind of apprehensive about going to Florida this time whereas The family and I normally love it. I am sure it will be fine once there but makes me wonder all the same.
Sad day!!
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Originally Posted by paulmc' post='991999' date='Aug 28 2009, 08:45 PM
I am off to Florida on October for 2 weeks and I must say for the 1st time ever in my life I am embarrassed to be Scottish.
This was ONE mans decision ( well on the face of it) and NOT the Scottish people. For me he should have died in jail.
I think there is much more going on under the surface that we will never know about.
Makes me kind of apprehensive about going to Florida this time whereas The family and I normally love it. I am sure it will be fine once there but makes me wonder all the same.
Sad day!!
This was ONE mans decision ( well on the face of it) and NOT the Scottish people. For me he should have died in jail.
I think there is much more going on under the surface that we will never know about.
Makes me kind of apprehensive about going to Florida this time whereas The family and I normally love it. I am sure it will be fine once there but makes me wonder all the same.
Sad day!!
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Originally Posted by paulmc' post='991999' date='Aug 28 2009, 09:45 PM
I am off to Florida on October for 2 weeks and I must say for the 1st time ever in my life I am embarrassed to be Scottish.
This was ONE mans decision ( well on the face of it) and NOT the Scottish people. For me he should have died in jail.
I think there is much more going on under the surface that we will never know about.
Makes me kind of apprehensive about going to Florida this time whereas The family and I normally love it. I am sure it will be fine once there but makes me wonder all the same.
Sad day!!
This was ONE mans decision ( well on the face of it) and NOT the Scottish people. For me he should have died in jail.
I think there is much more going on under the surface that we will never know about.
Makes me kind of apprehensive about going to Florida this time whereas The family and I normally love it. I am sure it will be fine once there but makes me wonder all the same.
Sad day!!
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