2007 European GP
07-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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The Formula 1 European Gran Prix at the infamous Nurburgring (but not the Nordschleife)
Qualifying was interesting yet again. Lewis Hamilton had a blown out front right tire during Q3 which took him straight into the barriers. He was taken off on a gurney and into an ambulance but he was waving his hands and giving the thumbs up the whole time. I think he's going to be back for tomorrows race. Reviewing the incident reveals something in his suspension failing and not necessarily a problem with the tire. Critics were guessing that his wheel may not have been securely bolted to the car before he left pit lane. Lewis will start in 10th.
Kimi Raikkonen has been doing consistantly well. He is the pole sitter for tomorrows race. However, the amazing thing is that Fernando Alonso lost control of his car for a split second in turns 5 and 6. I would venture to guess that he lost perhaps 0.8 to 1.0 seconds from that mishap and he still came in only 0.29 seconds behind Kimi. I have no doubt he would have been in pole position if not for that slip.
Both BMW's are where we expect them to be. Nick will start ahead of his teammate Robert in 4th and 5th respectively.
Here's the top 10 starting positions:
1 Kimi R?ikk?nen Ferrari
2 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari
4 Nick Heidfeld BMW
5 Robert Kubica BMW
6 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
7 Heikki Kovalainen Renault
8 Jarno Trulli Toyota
9 Ralf Schumacher Toyota
10 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
Qualifying was interesting yet again. Lewis Hamilton had a blown out front right tire during Q3 which took him straight into the barriers. He was taken off on a gurney and into an ambulance but he was waving his hands and giving the thumbs up the whole time. I think he's going to be back for tomorrows race. Reviewing the incident reveals something in his suspension failing and not necessarily a problem with the tire. Critics were guessing that his wheel may not have been securely bolted to the car before he left pit lane. Lewis will start in 10th.
Kimi Raikkonen has been doing consistantly well. He is the pole sitter for tomorrows race. However, the amazing thing is that Fernando Alonso lost control of his car for a split second in turns 5 and 6. I would venture to guess that he lost perhaps 0.8 to 1.0 seconds from that mishap and he still came in only 0.29 seconds behind Kimi. I have no doubt he would have been in pole position if not for that slip.
Both BMW's are where we expect them to be. Nick will start ahead of his teammate Robert in 4th and 5th respectively.
Here's the top 10 starting positions:
1 Kimi R?ikk?nen Ferrari
2 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari
4 Nick Heidfeld BMW
5 Robert Kubica BMW
6 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
7 Heikki Kovalainen Renault
8 Jarno Trulli Toyota
9 Ralf Schumacher Toyota
10 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
07-21-2007, 07:58 PM
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What the hell was Hamilton doing with his legs right after the impact. From the in-car shot he was moving his legs up-down very quickly. Just looked odd. 
Here is a video. Watch his legs.
Here is a video. Watch his legs.
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Originally Posted by Member545' post='450771' date='Jul 22 2007, 07:38 AM
My guess is he was just making sure they were okay, or throwing a tantrum...
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Either way i'm glad he's alright and that he's going to race today. I guess what they say is true, that everything is under the compensation law and that no matter how talented, gifted, and competitive are you, when things go so well over a large period of time, you have to expect to come sometimes soon a reverse, or a compensation. Be it a lose in performance or an accident stuff like this will come, and Hamilton is no exception.
Alonso was on a VERY VERY hot lap. I expect him to pass Kimi shortly after the start. Indeed if he would have made that little mistake than he would have gotten pole easily.
What i heard is the fact that Alonso wouldn't be that affected if Mclaren would loose the battle in the court over the spy issue, because he'll have the proper opportunity to brake the contract with Mclaren. I understood that he's searching for another team, and as i see things he won't be that eager to return to Renault even though Flavio wants him back very bad, at Ferrari it's clear there's no room, what it remains is BMW. But if the executives at BMW with Dr. Mario the leader, think of such a move, who would they kick out?! Heidfeld would be the most rational solution since despite his experience and the fact that he is a native he didn't really perform untill he got some real competition (Kubica) and at his age he never won a GP. At least that's what i would do. Alonso would be very nice to come at BMW. It would be my dream hehe
Alonso was on a VERY VERY hot lap. I expect him to pass Kimi shortly after the start. Indeed if he would have made that little mistake than he would have gotten pole easily.
What i heard is the fact that Alonso wouldn't be that affected if Mclaren would loose the battle in the court over the spy issue, because he'll have the proper opportunity to brake the contract with Mclaren. I understood that he's searching for another team, and as i see things he won't be that eager to return to Renault even though Flavio wants him back very bad, at Ferrari it's clear there's no room, what it remains is BMW. But if the executives at BMW with Dr. Mario the leader, think of such a move, who would they kick out?! Heidfeld would be the most rational solution since despite his experience and the fact that he is a native he didn't really perform untill he got some real competition (Kubica) and at his age he never won a GP. At least that's what i would do. Alonso would be very nice to come at BMW. It would be my dream hehe
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Best Formula 1 race this season all cars spinning out, I thought it is a drift champs 
let's how it ends
let's how it ends
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so rew back the race mate!
so rew back the race mate!
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OMG indeed best race so far. 
ahaha i like so much how so many drivers went ballet dancing in that right hander, and Hamilton was one of them. I guess the youth and inexperience had smth to say. Anyway i was amazed that they let him race after the car was pulled out of the gravel trap with the crane. I didn't know the regulations allow such a thing.
Anyway, also VERY disappointed of how Heidfeld drove the whole race. I mean boy even hit Robert, when his team mate clearly was ahead and was on the ideal line, stupid Heidfeld forced him in a spin, and both lost a lot of positions. Not to mention that he swept out R. Schumacher which was not very sporty, but i must say neither Ralf had the brains to let him pass since Hiedfeld had the nose on the interior ahead around half the toyota and Ralf simply closed the line. But even so it's applaud able how Heidfeld ended in front of Kubica despite 6 pit stops
But the delice of the race was the battle (or not)
between Alonso and Massa at the end of the race. Here you have a clear difference in class between the 2 pilots. Alonso shines in the rain, and he showed that putting in a few laps 7.5 seconds after the pass between him and the second runner. As Iceman would put it "stupid mofo" was clearly the best. And in style. Also i agree with him at the end when Alonso got out of the car he showed to everybody that stuff like that you simply don't do (pointing out the hit). And idiot Massa had the nerve to comment afterwards....HMMM now that's a stupid mofo. I don't even know what he had to comment, when he was simply outclassed.
The lil robot again was hit by bad luck (obviously), but did you guy notice how Ron Dennis took Alonso twice under his arm at the end next to the podium but Alonso didn't even respond, the same when he parked his car. Clearly Alonso is a winner, and a very proud driver but i still hold to my thought that he felt slightly pushed away by Ron's kid and the team's love for Lewis. I think Alonso's days are numbered at Mclaren. Let's wait and see the outcome of the Ferrari vs Mclaren spy story ends. As i said i'd love to see Alonso at BMW, to boost the team and perfect the car. The BMW engine is on par with the top 2 teams but the whole car i think has to be perfected yet. IMO Heidfeld has to go.
ahaha i like so much how so many drivers went ballet dancing in that right hander, and Hamilton was one of them. I guess the youth and inexperience had smth to say. Anyway i was amazed that they let him race after the car was pulled out of the gravel trap with the crane. I didn't know the regulations allow such a thing.Anyway, also VERY disappointed of how Heidfeld drove the whole race. I mean boy even hit Robert, when his team mate clearly was ahead and was on the ideal line, stupid Heidfeld forced him in a spin, and both lost a lot of positions. Not to mention that he swept out R. Schumacher which was not very sporty, but i must say neither Ralf had the brains to let him pass since Hiedfeld had the nose on the interior ahead around half the toyota and Ralf simply closed the line. But even so it's applaud able how Heidfeld ended in front of Kubica despite 6 pit stops
But the delice of the race was the battle (or not)
between Alonso and Massa at the end of the race. Here you have a clear difference in class between the 2 pilots. Alonso shines in the rain, and he showed that putting in a few laps 7.5 seconds after the pass between him and the second runner. As Iceman would put it "stupid mofo" was clearly the best. And in style. Also i agree with him at the end when Alonso got out of the car he showed to everybody that stuff like that you simply don't do (pointing out the hit). And idiot Massa had the nerve to comment afterwards....HMMM now that's a stupid mofo. I don't even know what he had to comment, when he was simply outclassed. The lil robot again was hit by bad luck (obviously), but did you guy notice how Ron Dennis took Alonso twice under his arm at the end next to the podium but Alonso didn't even respond, the same when he parked his car. Clearly Alonso is a winner, and a very proud driver but i still hold to my thought that he felt slightly pushed away by Ron's kid and the team's love for Lewis. I think Alonso's days are numbered at Mclaren. Let's wait and see the outcome of the Ferrari vs Mclaren spy story ends. As i said i'd love to see Alonso at BMW, to boost the team and perfect the car. The BMW engine is on par with the top 2 teams but the whole car i think has to be perfected yet. IMO Heidfeld has to go.
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I reckon Robert had issues with the car or tyres in the last laps, If he could hold out teen laps to Massa at Silverstone he can certainly hold out Heidfeld and he was losing something like 2 seconds per lap to Heidfeld in the laps before Heidfeld overtook him.
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Originally Posted by PoleApart' post='450859' date='Jul 22 2007, 05:45 PM
I reckon Robert had issues with the car or tyres in the last laps, If he could hold out teen laps to Massa at Silverstone he can certainly hold out Heidfeld and he was losing something like 2 seconds per lap to Heidfeld in the laps before Heidfeld overtook him.