Lap Times: F10 Vs. E60
08-03-2010, 12:49 AM
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08-03-2010, 06:13 AM
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I was checking fastestlaps.com and came up with the only two tracks that had both the F10 and E60:
1. Autozeitung Test Track.
2. Hockenheim Short.
In the first track their is the F10 530d vs. the E60 530i. Both have the same 0-100 kph of 6.3 seconds. Both also have very close 0-160 kph figures as shown on fastestlaps.com (14.0 s vs 13.9 s). The E60 530i has scored the 138th position with 1:46.2 while the F10 530d has been timed at 181st position with 1:48.1 s.
The second track has the F10 535i vs. the E60 535d. Both have the same lap time of 1:19.6 and both are automatic gearboxes. Considering the better 0-100 kph of the F10 535i of 6.1 s to the 6.3 s of the E60 535d and with both having the same 0-160 kph at 14.2 s, and very close 0-180 kph (18.6 to 18.4), we should expect the F10 to have better lap time.
F10 535i Sport Auto Test.
E60 535d Sport Auto Test.
Choose the Hockenheim tab on the upper box and Fahrwerte tab on the lower box. Please use the google translate feature if you don't understand german.
Both ended up with the same exact lap time, and I will leave you to comment on this fact.
Although the F10 has better gearbox (8 speeds compared to 6 speeds with lower shift times), stiffer chassis, double wishbone suspension the E60 still manages to do the same laptime on the second track and a better laptime on the first track with its lower acceleration and lower ability to achieve top speed.
From my point of view, I think that the extra weight and more luxurious setup of the F10 is the reason for its underwhelming performance on track. Nevertheless it is still a very good car.
1. Autozeitung Test Track.
2. Hockenheim Short.
In the first track their is the F10 530d vs. the E60 530i. Both have the same 0-100 kph of 6.3 seconds. Both also have very close 0-160 kph figures as shown on fastestlaps.com (14.0 s vs 13.9 s). The E60 530i has scored the 138th position with 1:46.2 while the F10 530d has been timed at 181st position with 1:48.1 s.
The second track has the F10 535i vs. the E60 535d. Both have the same lap time of 1:19.6 and both are automatic gearboxes. Considering the better 0-100 kph of the F10 535i of 6.1 s to the 6.3 s of the E60 535d and with both having the same 0-160 kph at 14.2 s, and very close 0-180 kph (18.6 to 18.4), we should expect the F10 to have better lap time.
F10 535i Sport Auto Test.
E60 535d Sport Auto Test.
Choose the Hockenheim tab on the upper box and Fahrwerte tab on the lower box. Please use the google translate feature if you don't understand german.
Both ended up with the same exact lap time, and I will leave you to comment on this fact.
Although the F10 has better gearbox (8 speeds compared to 6 speeds with lower shift times), stiffer chassis, double wishbone suspension the E60 still manages to do the same laptime on the second track and a better laptime on the first track with its lower acceleration and lower ability to achieve top speed.
From my point of view, I think that the extra weight and more luxurious setup of the F10 is the reason for its underwhelming performance on track. Nevertheless it is still a very good car.
your basis of the cars whether manual or automatic appears off. Please provide all acceleration and elasticity of all cars compared.eg it's a manual 535i http://www.fastestlaps.com/carBMW_535i_F10.html
For the Hockenheim cars you compared, Fastestlaps summary - F10 is a better performer http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso..._E60_535D.html
For the Autozeitung cars, F10 is better than one and worse than the other
F10 better http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso..._BMW_530i.html
F10 worse http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...530i_2007.html
08-03-2010, 06:28 AM
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You would need to recheck your data first. This is rather tiring
your basis of the cars whether manual or automatic appears off. Please provide all acceleration and elasticity of all cars compared.eg it's a manual 535i http://www.fastestlaps.com/carBMW_535i_F10.html
For the Hockenheim cars you compared, Fastestlaps summary - F10 is a better performer http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso..._E60_535D.html
For the Autozeitung cars, F10 is better than one and worse than the other
F10 better http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso..._BMW_530i.html
F10 worse http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...530i_2007.html
08-03-2010, 06:34 AM
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Since you could not get that by naked eye, I have added a small gift below.
Below is the Nissan GT-R Hockenheim Lap
And the Nissan GT-R Autozeitung Lap
The maximum speed in the Autozeitung was 222.4 km/h from the table below the chart, the maximum speed in the Hockenheim short was 203 km/h.
Which one would have longer straights in your opinion?
Do you believe me now?
Damn I am so good
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Below is the Nissan GT-R Hockenheim Lap
And the Nissan GT-R Autozeitung Lap
The maximum speed in the Autozeitung was 222.4 km/h from the table below the chart, the maximum speed in the Hockenheim short was 203 km/h.
Which one would have longer straights in your opinion?
Do you believe me now?
Damn I am so good
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08-03-2010, 06:41 AM
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08-03-2010, 06:50 AM
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The Sport Auto Test was done by the same driver within two months period. His name is Horst von Saurma. His lap times on the Nurburgring are among the most famous ones in the world Nürburgring lap times. His Hockenheim lap times are among the most widely used lap times in the world for reference.
E60 535d http://www.fastestlaps.com/laptimes/4bd40c373f2c6.html http://www.fastestlaps.com/car_BMW_E60_535D.html
F10 535i http://www.fastestlaps.com/laptimes/4bd1d4af07e0f.html http://www.fastestlaps.com/carBMW_535i_F10.html
08-03-2010, 06:56 AM
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Due to the difference in technical and engineering knowledge, I think it would be impossible for you to understand all the points I make.
Consequently, I will enjoy the support of the other members of this forum, and I will have to agree with their personal messages not to reply to any other posts.
Hope you learnt new things from this thread.
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Due to the difference in technical and engineering knowledge, I think it would be impossible for you to understand all the points I make.
Consequently, I will enjoy the support of the other members of this forum, and I will have to agree with their personal messages not to reply to any other posts.
Hope you learnt new things from this thread.
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I hope that you've learnt that when one claims to forward an objective analysis and interpretation, the primary data used should be correct and complete, and the language used should be objective. I would not have engaged myself if the claims were on a subjective basis, like many other threads and posts.