535d Sport Touring 50-75 times
04-04-2006, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='264603' date='Apr 4 2006, 08:47 PM
Hold on a moment, how can a 550i weigh the exact same as a 535D?? if a 535D is 50KG heavier than the 530D then surely that V8 lump must be at least 70kg's heavier than the Straight Six Diesel. 
:http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecif...t-bmwuk,00.html
Actually, I think it's cause the 535d is based on the older 530d engine (the one I have) plus some extra weight for turbo gubbins.
The new 530d engine is all aluminium so the current model is a LOT lighter.
04-04-2006, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='264610' date='Apr 4 2006, 08:54 PM
The new 530d engine is all aluminium so the current model is a LOT lighter.
Would bring 0-60 down by about 0.1s... (With 218PS engine) But it becomes 0.5s with the 231PS engine and the weight savings...
04-04-2006, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by colejl' post='264639' date='Apr 4 2006, 10:28 PM
25kg... Nice but not huge
Would bring 0-60 down by about 0.1s... (With 218PS engine) But it becomes 0.5s with the 231PS engine and the weight savings...
Would bring 0-60 down by about 0.1s... (With 218PS engine) But it becomes 0.5s with the 231PS engine and the weight savings...
Auto 530d = 1665kg
535d is only auto and 1735kg
Looking at this again significant factor in the weight difference is the tranny.
'new' Manual 530d
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 231
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1590
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 147.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 7.14
0 - 100 (Secs) : 18.99
60 - 100 (Secs) : 11.85
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.51
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 90.37
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.41
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 91.38
04-04-2006, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='264567' date='Apr 4 2006, 06:07 PM
Is that still the case for diesels, I'm not sure that with the 6 speed box in the 530d the best shiftpoint is at the redline as you would normally expect.
It REALLY pulls at around 2000rpm and doesn't feel significantly faster higher in the rev range, especially at the limit where it just makes lot's of 'noise', but produces not much more go.....
It REALLY pulls at around 2000rpm and doesn't feel significantly faster higher in the rev range, especially at the limit where it just makes lot's of 'noise', but produces not much more go.....
535d is better but runs out of stream at around 4700rpm. After that its pointless
BTW we have timed the new 530d with some nice slics at 6.79 once, second time was 6.86.... from 0-62.5
04-04-2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by colejl' post='264585' date='Apr 4 2006, 07:17 PM
Surely that's covered by the 535d? Unless they want to tag the 'new' 535d as 540d to distinguish it?
04-04-2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='264603' date='Apr 4 2006, 07:47 PM
Hold on a moment, how can a 550i weigh the exact same as a 535D?? if a 535D is 50KG heavier than the 530D then surely that V8 lump must be at least 70kg's heavier than the Straight Six Diesel.
530d is 1665Kg irregardless of the box..
the BHP per tonne is:
535d: 156.78
530d: 139.74
not that big a diffence
btw look at the difference from 100-200km/h in 550i and 535d DMS... should be around 2.5seconds
04-04-2006, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='264590' date='Apr 4 2006, 10:22 PM
Sadly - you could be right 
I'm thinking of a DMS job though... they reckon it's go to 260hp (from 218) and up to approx 570nm.
I plugged this into this calculator:
http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp
530d + DMS
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 260
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1685
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 156.78
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.77
0 - 100 (Secs) : 17.33
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.56
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.11
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.36
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.01
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 94.41
535d
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 272
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1735
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 159.29
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.68
0 - 100 (Secs) : 16.87
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.19
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.00
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 94.30
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.90
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 95.36
What do you think ?
I'm thinking of a DMS job though... they reckon it's go to 260hp (from 218) and up to approx 570nm.
I plugged this into this calculator:
http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp
530d + DMS
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 260
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1685
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 156.78
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.77
0 - 100 (Secs) : 17.33
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.56
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.11
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.36
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.01
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 94.41
535d
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 272
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1735
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 159.29
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.68
0 - 100 (Secs) : 16.87
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.19
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.00
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 94.30
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.90
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 95.36
What do you think ?
Kidding...
04-05-2006, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='264741' date='Apr 5 2006, 01:58 AM
v8 bi-turbo diesels are a different thing. The e420 cdi is in a different league. only 315bhp but 700nm at around 1600rpm. If it sells well , bmw will offer a v8 diesel block for the e60. But as car magazine said , that would be around 2009
04-05-2006, 12:53 AM
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I can't quite decide between the following:
1. Trade in for something smaller / more sporty
Possibilities:
M3 (secondhand only - and a big worry in regard to maintenance costs - but a dream car for many years)
New 330ci or 330i touring (to get a nice 3 months warranty.
Downside re the M3 and coupe is obviously that the e90 version is on it's way and it will start to look dated quickly.
2. Get a 535d now - (this is going to be financialy very painful)
3. Get it dms'd (reasonably cheap fix) keep it for 12 months then look at swapping for a new e90 330i coupe or possibily still an e46 330i (or M3 - which my heart wants and my head says no to).
What would you do?
04-05-2006, 01:57 AM
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My Ride: 535d 2005
4.4 seconds...hmmmm... and I thought 535D is faster than Saab 9-5 Aero I used to have.
It seems that Saab Aeros are faster when it comes to overtaking. I don't know what 80-120km/h figures are for standard 9-5 Aero, but modified Saab Aeros do 80-120kmh in less than 4 seconds. 3.6 sec is the best I found.
It seems that Saab Aeros are faster when it comes to overtaking. I don't know what 80-120km/h figures are for standard 9-5 Aero, but modified Saab Aeros do 80-120kmh in less than 4 seconds. 3.6 sec is the best I found.