BetterMakeWay

Whatever you do stay in the BMW club. If i were to aim high i would aim directly at the m5 not minding the 550i. After all there ain't too much difference between the 550i's mpg and the m5's. I mean come on if you want the petrol, why not buy the best there is? The 535d is the best compromise of performance/mpg, not to mention that especially this type of e60 smokes almost everything in city drive where the 560NM really shows as the biggest advantage + 2 turbos meaning no lag and 5000rpm to explore. And it's a diesel. LOL
I love my car...but i love more the beast the m5 is. Maybe over 3 years when i finish my lease i'll get an M. E90 M3 sounds the best option for me. I'll just have to wait and see the looks/performance figures.

Postel

About your choice, the 535d is absolutely fantastic, trust me!

0700700

I am concerned about this issue. Am I inferring correctly that the issue you are raising is the engine's relatively small amount of torque given 500 HP--great on a track, but a tad problematic on the street???
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quite so , i am quite used to the way the m3 has power progressively through the rev band but after some modifications max torque comes at 3600RPM not 4900RPM for the car. Anyways i do NOT expect that people would be buying an M5 to drive it slowly or moderately, and in this regard i am disappointed simply because the engine requires a lot of trashing to get you going very fast , and i am very worried about the shelf-life of internal component in an engine that is going to be revved so high on so many occasions....

As for purchasing an m5, i would love to but with a 745li/x5 3.0d/and a 330i it all seems to be a bit over the top for me... Not impossible but simply i think that for what the m5 offers its overpriced....

Besides i am not Schumacher , i dont go to race (there are no race tracks in Bulgaria) ... all i do is drag on the streets so handling isnt very important on my list...

Just to give you a clue on how much this car would cost me imported (12000km)

m5: 97000euro
e55 amg: 72000euro
535d (brand new) 66000euro

And thats a BIG difference IMO, a friend has a tuned e55 (see top post) with Kleemann LSD , and 18inch back alloys with racing sleeks . The car produces 565bhp and 830Nm at 2400RPM and it easily beasts a chipped derestricted M5 (530bhp) every time. Including with me in the merc...

Anyways sorry about the rant, overall AMAZING car, pity about the build quality (one of the wood panels next to the wheel fell of, and the front right seat was rattling) and the excessively high price


conflict of opinion IMO as an involved driver would want anything BUT to press 5 buttons to get
the car going

BetterMakeWay

quite so , i am quite used to the way the m3 has power progressively through the rev band but after some modifications max torque comes at 3600RPM not 4900RPM for the car. Anyways i do NOT expect that people would be buying an M5 to drive it slowly or moderately, and in this regard i am disappointed simply because the engine requires a lot of trashing to get you going very fast , and i am very worried about the shelf-life of internal component in an engine that is going to be revved so high on so many occasions....

As for purchasing an m5, i would love to but with a 745li/x5 3.0d/and a 330i it all seems to be a bit over the top for me... Not impossible but simply i think that for what the m5 offers its overpriced....

Besides i am not Schumacher , i dont go to race (there are no race tracks in Bulgaria) ... all i do is drag on the streets so handling isnt very important on my list...

Just to give you a clue on how much this car would cost me imported (12000km)

m5: 97000euro
e55 amg: 72000euro
535d (brand new) 66000euro

And thats a BIG difference IMO, a friend has a tuned e55 (see top post) with Kleemann LSD , and 18inch back alloys with racing sleeks . The car produces 565bhp and 830Nm at 2400RPM and it easily beasts a chipped derestricted M5 (530bhp) every time. Including with me in the merc...

Anyways sorry about the rant, overall AMAZING car, pity about the build quality (one of the wood panels next to the wheel fell of, and the front right seat was rattling) and the excessively high price


conflict of opinion IMO as an involved driver would want anything BUT to press 5 buttons to get
the car going
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Then get the merc. The onky thing the e55 knows is to drag. That's it. Go for it. But don't be amaized then when an m5 shoots by with a mindblowing-orgasmic noise of 8000rpm.

znod

Am I "you"? The pull you speak of is at high rpm. That's not as much of an issue. I am talking about low torque especially at low rpm; that's where I might find the M5 to be disappointing. I have a Z06--assuming your were replying to me??? Check my sig. But, its "only" and 02. The interior actually is very nice. I think it is competitive with my 545i interior-wise even though the mags always knock the Z06 interior--which has always been a mystery to me. Now, the new Z06, well, it's a monster.

stream

Am I "you"? The pull you speak of is at high rpm. That's not as much of an issue. I am talking about low torque especially at low rpm; that's where I might find the M5 to be disappointing. I have a Z06--assuming your were replying to me??? Check my sig. But, its "only" and 02. The interior actually is very nice. I think it is competitive with my 545i interior-wise even though the mags always knock the Z06 interior--which has always been a mystery to me. Now, the new Z06, well, it's a monster.
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You say you find the M5 to be disappointing? Not sure if you've driven an E60 M5, but if not, you should. We can read all day what the test drives say, and how the dyno charts look, but if you haven't actually driven a car, it's moot in my opinion. Yes, low end torque isn't like a W211 E55 (then again, not many are!), but the engine is so free-revving that you aren't down there very often. Go for a test drive and let us know what you think!

0700700

sorry it took so long to reply but yes i know what you mean, my m3 with modded ignition timings/smg software and ecu recalibration always spun at 2nd at 7700-8000rpm, it is a great feeling. Strangely enough
i didnt see that in the e60 although i wasnt allowed to use the most aggressive smg setting (during driving, only was allowed to use it on the imporvised test track)

znod

You say you find the M5 to be disappointing? Not sure if you've driven an E60 M5, but if not, you should. We can read all day what the test drives say, and how the dyno charts look, but if you haven't actually driven a car, it's moot in my opinion. Yes, low end torque isn't like a W211 E55 (then again, not many are!), but the engine is so free-revving that you aren't down there very often. Go for a test drive and let us know what you think!
[/quote] No I didn't say I find it to be disappointing. I said that I think I might find its lack of torque at low rpm to be disappointing.

And, I already agreed previously with everything marked in orange above. Also, I didn't say anything at all about what's marked in green. Without having driven the car, I am sure that I would find it very impressive if I did--except maybe for the low rpm torque thing that I mentioned.

And, a test drive of an M5 would be pointless for me, except to see if I liked the car in general, because I would never beat on a not-broken-in car that will be owned by someone else even it the dealer would let me. In this regard, I would not beat on a car I did not own even if I planned to buy it--as with my Z06. I knew what a Z06 would do without beating on one--so my test drive involved only driving mine home carefully to make sure I liked its general feel and to make sure it would negotiate my sloped driveway comfortably. I knew that neither low, middle, or high rpm torque would be a problem with my Z06 without beating on it until it was broken in--500 miles.

I am on your side about BMW's in general. And, while I am not saying that you are, I am just not ga ga (i.e., ) over any car simply because it says BMW. The M5, like any car, has its pluses and minuses.

evh5150

Don you definitely are one informed dude

znod

Thank you for the compliment Trev. But, frequently I am one uninformed dud.