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01-09-2006, 03:15 AM
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well it is a USA magazine so of course ford GT is gonna win.....WTF
but what is the price of the GT? how many around? can you drive it to work everyday???
I better don't read magazines, it is all paid for promo. No real test. How can a jurnalist driving VW Jetta all his life make serious comments about BMW M5 after one day of "test"
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but what is the price of the GT? how many around? can you drive it to work everyday???
I better don't read magazines, it is all paid for promo. No real test. How can a jurnalist driving VW Jetta all his life make serious comments about BMW M5 after one day of "test"
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01-09-2006, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter530i' post='221383' date='Jan 9 2006, 12:15 PM
well it is a USA magazine so of course ford GT is gonna win.....WTF
but what is the price of the GT? how many around? can you drive it to work everyday???
but what is the price of the GT? how many around? can you drive it to work everyday???
uh .. yeah of course you can drive it to work... if you own BP amocco
01-09-2006, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter530i' post='221383' date='Jan 9 2006, 07:15 AM
well it is a USA magazine so of course ford GT is gonna win.....WTF
evo is Australian.
but what is the price of the GT? how many around? can you drive it to work everyday???
Remember, that the M3 did very well in the comparo--5th. And, evo was picking the best "driver's" car which, in concept, could be somewhat price independent. In this regard, the Clio Trophy came in 3rd. The Ford GT could be driven daily, but I doubt that many would do so. As indicated, the test wasn't about daily drivers; it was about "driver's cars."
I better don't read magazines, it is all paid for promo. No real test. How can a jurnalist driving VW Jetta all his life make serious comments about BMW M5 after one day of "test"
So, all auto mags just do paid promos? In other words, you think, for example, that all finalist groups in all auto mags, and their ultimate winners, are driven by who pays the most and that no tests actually are performed.
evo is Australian.
but what is the price of the GT? how many around? can you drive it to work everyday???
Remember, that the M3 did very well in the comparo--5th. And, evo was picking the best "driver's" car which, in concept, could be somewhat price independent. In this regard, the Clio Trophy came in 3rd. The Ford GT could be driven daily, but I doubt that many would do so. As indicated, the test wasn't about daily drivers; it was about "driver's cars."
I better don't read magazines, it is all paid for promo. No real test. How can a jurnalist driving VW Jetta all his life make serious comments about BMW M5 after one day of "test"
So, all auto mags just do paid promos? In other words, you think, for example, that all finalist groups in all auto mags, and their ultimate winners, are driven by who pays the most and that no tests actually are performed.
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ok Znod. you got me there a little. I was too emotional seeing ALMOST a concept (I said almost) car being compared to M5.
1. Ok my bad.
2. uhmmm but still
3. honestly the truth is somewhere in between. However I'm sure there is a big "money" influence on the test results and other magazine article.
For instance lately it has been said that the german ADAC (officials to test crash tests and approve cars) has been just "slightly" and secretly changing their test criteria in order to give non-german cars worst results....
.............. and we are talking about almost if not nearly state controlled organization.
Damn, did I just read that in a magazine somewhere 
1. Ok my bad.
2. uhmmm but still
3. honestly the truth is somewhere in between. However I'm sure there is a big "money" influence on the test results and other magazine article.
For instance lately it has been said that the german ADAC (officials to test crash tests and approve cars) has been just "slightly" and secretly changing their test criteria in order to give non-german cars worst results....
.............. and we are talking about almost if not nearly state controlled organization. Damn, did I just read that in a magazine somewhere
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Originally Posted by Peter530i' post='222236' date='Jan 10 2006, 02:39 PM
ok Znod. you got me there a little. I was too emotional seeing ALMOST a concept (I said almost) car being compared to M5.
1. Ok my bad.
2. uhmmm but still
3. honestly the truth is somewhere in between. However I'm sure there is a big "money" influence on the test results and other magazine article.
For instance lately it has been said that the german ADAC (officials to test crash tests and approve cars) has been just "slightly" and secretly changing their test criteria in order to give non-german cars worst results.... .............. and we are talking about almost if not nearly state controlled organization.
Damn, did I just read that in a magazine somewhere
1. Ok my bad.
2. uhmmm but still
3. honestly the truth is somewhere in between. However I'm sure there is a big "money" influence on the test results and other magazine article.
For instance lately it has been said that the german ADAC (officials to test crash tests and approve cars) has been just "slightly" and secretly changing their test criteria in order to give non-german cars worst results....
.............. and we are talking about almost if not nearly state controlled organization. Damn, did I just read that in a magazine somewhere
All I have is a 545i, and it's probably nothing compared to the E55 or M5. So I say to all:Duke it out. I'm on the sidelines.
As for the mags and their "opinion," I read for entertainment because somebody always works for somebody when it comes down to "best of XXX."
01-10-2006, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter530i' post='222236' date='Jan 10 2006, 02:39 PM
ok Znod. you got me there a little. I was too emotional seeing ALMOST a concept (I said almost) car being compared to M5.
1. Ok my bad.
2. uhmmm but still
3. honestly the truth is somewhere in between. However I'm sure there is a big "money" influence on the test results and other magazine article.
For instance lately it has been said that the german ADAC (officials to test crash tests and approve cars) has been just "slightly" and secretly changing their test criteria in order to give non-german cars worst results.... .............. and we are talking about almost if not nearly state controlled organization.
Damn, did I just read that in a magazine somewhere
1. Ok my bad.
2. uhmmm but still
3. honestly the truth is somewhere in between. However I'm sure there is a big "money" influence on the test results and other magazine article.
For instance lately it has been said that the german ADAC (officials to test crash tests and approve cars) has been just "slightly" and secretly changing their test criteria in order to give non-german cars worst results....
.............. and we are talking about almost if not nearly state controlled organization. Damn, did I just read that in a magazine somewhere
All I have is a 545i, and it's probably nothing compared to the E55 or M5. So I say to all:Duke it out. I'm on the sidelines.
You need your supercharger. I'll duke it out with them with my old Z06.
As for the mags and their "opinion," I read for entertainment because somebody always works for somebody when it comes down to "best of XXX."
Yep, someone always is taking, and someone always is buying the takers. Not me and you and some others though.
01-10-2006, 02:10 PM
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Evo is a respected and respectable publication. Just because you do or don't like their conclusion isn't grounds for accusing them of being on the take. FWIW I've yet to see a review of the Ford GT that didn't make the comment that it is indeed an "everyday supercar" (if that isn't an oxymoron), the GT has beaten Ferraris in many tests. There's no shame whatsoever in the M5 losing out to the Ford GT, and tests like this typically don't pay regard to price/value...
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Low end torque, high end torque, damn, I'll be luck to own anything close it it. All I have is a 545i, and it's probably nothing compared to the E55 or M5. So I say to all:
Duke it out. I'm on the sidelines.
You need your supercharger. I'll duke it out with them with my old Z06.
As for the mags and their "opinion," I read for entertainment because somebody always works for somebody when it comes down to "best of XXX."
Yep, someone always is taking, and someone always is buying the takers. Not me and you and some others though.
All I have is a 545i, and it's probably nothing compared to the E55 or M5. So I say to all:Duke it out. I'm on the sidelines.
You need your supercharger. I'll duke it out with them with my old Z06.
As for the mags and their "opinion," I read for entertainment because somebody always works for somebody when it comes down to "best of XXX."
Yep, someone always is taking, and someone always is buying the takers. Not me and you and some others though.
Hopefully, you and will still be around when I get the supercharger because right now, both money and availability are two issues
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Evo is a respected and respectable publication. Just because you do or don't like their conclusion isn't grounds for accusing them of being on the take. FWIW I've yet to see a review of the Ford GT that didn't make the comment that it is indeed an "everyday supercar" (if that isn't an oxymoron), the GT has beaten Ferraris in many tests. There's no shame whatsoever in the M5 losing out to the Ford GT, and tests like this typically don't pay regard to price/value...
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Completely agree - these kinds of tests are always subjective and that's exactly how they should be. My point was just that there is no reason to accuse the magazine testers and editors of being on the take because you may not like their subjective conclusions or opinions.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='222329' date='Jan 10 2006, 06:10 PM
Evo is a respected and respectable publication. Just because you do or don't like their conclusion isn't grounds for accusing them of being on the take. FWIW I've yet to see a review of the Ford GT that didn't make the comment that it is indeed an "everyday supercar" (if that isn't an oxymoron), the GT has beaten Ferraris in many tests. There's no shame whatsoever in the M5 losing out to the Ford GT, and tests like this typically don't pay regard to price/value...