New wheels for the M5
10-13-2005, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wolverine' date='Oct 12 2005, 05:04 PM
I just can't warm up to the Hartges, in fact I wouldn't be caught dead in them.? To me, they are way over the top.? Plus they are quite heavy, over 35 lbs each, so they will certainly not improve the performance of the car.? And the fake fasteners make them look cheap.? Just goes to show you, lots of different takes on what makes a good looking wheel...
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Only speaking from a cosmetic point of view (I didn't even realize they were 35lbs each, ouch!), I like the wheel center but not flushed with the lip. I prefer a deep dish look with a polished lip. Of course, the front wheels will have less of a lip to leave enough clearance for the big calipers. I also don't like the housing around the rivets like what Hartge did with this wheel. I'll take them with the standard rivets to give it the traditional 3-piece look.
However, this is one of the things I enjoy about this "hobby". It's still great to see many different tastes and styles.
02-06-2006, 01:21 AM
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by indonesianm5' post='173816' date='Sep 23 2005, 01:08 AM
[quote name='Centurion' date='Sep 22 2005, 06:37 PM'][quote name='indonesianm5' date='Sep 22 2005, 04:33 PM']Isnt this hamann wheels?Does anybody know what mode these wheels are?Thanks
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I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "mode".
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[/quote]sorry i mean model
O so they're limited?They're so nice!Do you know where they are sold?
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yess see my signature for emails, or in the USA wheelpower.com
02-06-2006, 01:26 AM
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OEM!! I don't think the BBS suit the E60, especially in M5 guise. I think the OEM/Hartge wheels compliment the bodykit and shape perfectly, looks wrong with any other aftermarket wheel.
02-06-2006, 01:31 AM
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by converted2bmw' post='235502' date='Feb 6 2006, 11:26 AM
OEM!! I don't think the BBS suit the E60, especially in M5 guise. I think the OEM/Hartge wheels compliment the bodykit and shape perfectly, looks wrong with any other aftermarket wheel.
02-06-2006, 01:54 AM
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Ok, well I mean the original wheels that come with the M5, regardless of weather they are made by BBS anyway. My argument is that the BBS style wheels below, (under the 166 wheel shown) in my opinion do not suit the E60, 
I think the original 19" Style 166 wheels look the best with the M5, or the Hartge wheels such as in cidair's car.
Originally Posted by wolverine' post='173553' date='Sep 22 2005, 02:14 PM
02-08-2006, 03:59 AM
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The Hartges are 45 lbs (very heavy ) and arent forged. If you are looking for lighter wheels,look into Iforged.You can get a 2 pc 20 inch at around 31 lbs and a 3 pc at around 27 lbs. Loosing the balance on a car is relative to the wheel type you buy . BBs is unchallenged and do design most of Bmw wheels.So lighter is better .The hartges look nice but thats too much weight for this car.
http://www.iforged.com/main.html
http://www.iforged.com/main.html
02-08-2006, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nyc.turbo' post='236675' date='Feb 8 2006, 07:59 AM
The Hartges are 45 lbs (very heavy ) and arent forged. If you are looking for lighter wheels,look into Iforged.You can get a 2 pc 20 inch at around 31 lbs and a 3 pc at around 27 lbs. Loosing the balance on a car is relative to the wheel type you buy . BBs is unchallenged and do design most of Bmw wheels.So lighter is better .The hartges look nice but thats too much weight for this car.
http://www.iforged.com/main.html
http://www.iforged.com/main.html
The 20" BBS RS-GT's are 23 lbs with BOTH the center and rim sections forged. All other 2-piece wheels I'm aware of have forged centers, but cast rims. The rim is the most likely area to be damaged, so having forged centers/cast rims doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm not familiar with the Iforged wheels.
I like the look of the BBS on the Silverstone, especially with the car lowered...
02-08-2006, 12:48 PM
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
The Hartges are 45 lbs (very heavy ) and arent forged. If you are looking for lighter wheels,look into Iforged.You can get a 2 pc 20 inch at around 31 lbs and a 3 pc at around 27 lbs. Loosing the balance on a car is relative to the wheel type you buy . BBs is unchallenged and do design most of Bmw wheels.So lighter is better .The hartges look nice but thats too much weight for this car.
http://www.iforged.com/main.html
http://www.iforged.com/main.html
The 20" BBS RS-GT's are 23 lbs with BOTH the center and rim sections forged. All other 2-piece wheels I'm aware of have forged centers, but cast rims. The rim is the most likely area to be damaged, so having forged centers/cast rims doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm not familiar with the Iforged wheels.
I like the look of the BBS on the Silverstone, especially with the car lowered...
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We to like it don't worry Wolf. is it BS that 20"s kill the ride comfort, I am in some 20"s to and have normal sport suspension, so I know your M (5) is even stiffer, what do you
? thx for all info.
02-08-2006, 02:58 PM
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On the M5, my ride comfort is as good with the BBS wheels and Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's as it was with the OEM 19's and Conti's. One reason is the Michelin's have a smoother ride, the other is that the springs/shocks have 5lbs less per corner to move up and down over every bump. The lighter and better riding wheel/tire combo pretty much compensates for losing 1/2 inch of rubber/air between the wheel and road. When I switched to the 19's on my 545, I replaced the runflats with Goodyear F1 GS-D3's. I saved 13 lbs per corner, and the ride was immensely better.
If you get heavy 20" wheels and/or subpar tires, then yes, your ride comfort can suffer. Also if you go too big on the wheels, (lets say 21 on an M5), you will definitely get a harsher ride. If you were to go with the same tires, and the same weight wheels, you'd feel a somewhat stiffer ride.
If you get heavy 20" wheels and/or subpar tires, then yes, your ride comfort can suffer. Also if you go too big on the wheels, (lets say 21 on an M5), you will definitely get a harsher ride. If you were to go with the same tires, and the same weight wheels, you'd feel a somewhat stiffer ride.
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Originally Posted by Edlee' post='181688' date='Oct 9 2005, 11:39 AM
IMHO the BBS 20 inch look great