Do you think the new M5 is the fastest Big Saloon?
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I just read an article in Evo magazine. In my opinion, Evo is the most technically oriented magazine around the globe. Their staff rate cars according to their handling, "fun to drive" aspect, and track times.
Evo did a road test in their last issue that includes the Alpina B5, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Maserati Quattroporte.
The surprise was the Maserati Quattroporte achieved a better track time by around 1.6 seconds at the Bedford Autodrome than the new M5
. The Alpina B5 was only 0.15 seconds behind the M5!
The question now is: How did Maserati manage to design a car that is faster on a track than the M5 while being larger, heavier, and having surprisingly much less horsepower? Please take a look at the stats below.
Maserati Quattroporte to BMW M5
Power= 394 bhp to 507 bhp
Power/ton= 207 bhp/ton to 277 bhp/ton
Length= 5052 mm to 4855 mm
Width= 1895 mm to 1846 mm
Height= 1438 mm to 1469 mm
Wheelbase= 3064 mm to 2888 mm
Front track= 1582 mm to 1580 mm
Rear track= 1595 mm to 1566 mm
Weight= 1920 Kg to 1830 kg
The numbers show for themselves. The Maser (69K GBP) is longer, wider, heavier with less power and it manages to get a better track time than the M5 (62K GBP).
I am very dissapointed that BMW has spent a fortune on electronics and forgot about handling and car dynamics. The M5 doesn't seem to handle well. It could not match the better handling of the Maserati. What a shame
.
Just to be fair I would like to mention that the Maserati Quattroporte got a better track time than the new Porsche Carrera (997), Porsche Boxster S, Mitsubishi Evolution, Mercedes SL55 AMG, SL600, SLK55 AMG, and Lotus Elise 111R!
A sample of Evo track times at Bedford Autodrome:
Caterham 1:19.62
Porsche GT3 RS 1:23.85
Lamborghini Gallardo 1:23.9
Ferrari F430 1:24.2
Aston Martin Vanquish S 1:27.4
Aston Martin DB9 1:28.2
Maserati Quattroporte 1:28:35
Porsche Carrera (997) 1:28.55
Porsche Boxster S 1:28.85
Lotus Elise 111R 1:29.20
Mercedes SLK55 AMG 1:29.30
Mercedes SL600 1:29.95
BMW M5 1:29.95
Mercedes SL55 AMG 1:30.05
Alpina B5 1:30.1
Ford Mustang GT 1:30.55
Cadillac CTS-V 1:31.05
My dream supersaloon has switched now from the M5 to the Quattroporte. Thanks Maserati
. BMW: shame on you :thumbsdown:.
Evo did a road test in their last issue that includes the Alpina B5, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Maserati Quattroporte.
The surprise was the Maserati Quattroporte achieved a better track time by around 1.6 seconds at the Bedford Autodrome than the new M5
. The Alpina B5 was only 0.15 seconds behind the M5!The question now is: How did Maserati manage to design a car that is faster on a track than the M5 while being larger, heavier, and having surprisingly much less horsepower? Please take a look at the stats below.
Maserati Quattroporte to BMW M5
Power= 394 bhp to 507 bhp
Power/ton= 207 bhp/ton to 277 bhp/ton
Length= 5052 mm to 4855 mm
Width= 1895 mm to 1846 mm
Height= 1438 mm to 1469 mm
Wheelbase= 3064 mm to 2888 mm
Front track= 1582 mm to 1580 mm
Rear track= 1595 mm to 1566 mm
Weight= 1920 Kg to 1830 kg
The numbers show for themselves. The Maser (69K GBP) is longer, wider, heavier with less power and it manages to get a better track time than the M5 (62K GBP).
I am very dissapointed that BMW has spent a fortune on electronics and forgot about handling and car dynamics. The M5 doesn't seem to handle well. It could not match the better handling of the Maserati. What a shame
.Just to be fair I would like to mention that the Maserati Quattroporte got a better track time than the new Porsche Carrera (997), Porsche Boxster S, Mitsubishi Evolution, Mercedes SL55 AMG, SL600, SLK55 AMG, and Lotus Elise 111R!
A sample of Evo track times at Bedford Autodrome:
Caterham 1:19.62
Porsche GT3 RS 1:23.85
Lamborghini Gallardo 1:23.9
Ferrari F430 1:24.2
Aston Martin Vanquish S 1:27.4
Aston Martin DB9 1:28.2
Maserati Quattroporte 1:28:35
Porsche Carrera (997) 1:28.55
Porsche Boxster S 1:28.85
Lotus Elise 111R 1:29.20
Mercedes SLK55 AMG 1:29.30
Mercedes SL600 1:29.95
BMW M5 1:29.95
Mercedes SL55 AMG 1:30.05
Alpina B5 1:30.1
Ford Mustang GT 1:30.55
Cadillac CTS-V 1:31.05
My dream supersaloon has switched now from the M5 to the Quattroporte. Thanks Maserati
. BMW: shame on you :thumbsdown:.
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I know a guy with a Quattroporte. It is one amazing car. Persoanlly I would buy one over an M5. He did have some problems with it when he first got it. Some trouble with the paddle shifts bu toverall he seems to have had good luck with it.
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Originally Posted by Shebs' date='Oct 18 2005, 07:24 AM
I just read an article in Evo magazine. In my opinion, Evo is the most technically oriented magazine around the globe. Their staff rate cars according to their handling, "fun to drive" aspect, and track times.
Evo did a road test in their last issue that includes the Alpina B5, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Maserati Quattroporte.
The surprise was the Maserati Quattroporte achieved a better track time by around 1.6 seconds at the Bedford Autodrome than the new M5. The Alpina B5 was only 0.15 seconds behind the M5!
The question now is: How did Maserati manage to design a car that is faster on a track than the M5 while being larger, heavier, and having surprisingly much less horsepower? Please take a look at the stats below.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Maserati Quattroporte? to BMW M5
Power=? ? ? ? ? 394 bhp? to? ? 507 bhp
Power/ton=? ? 207 bhp/ton to 277 bhp/ton
Length=? ? ? ? 5052 mm? to? 4855 mm
Width=? ? ? ? ? 1895 mm? to? 1846 mm
Height=? ? ? ? 1438 mm? to? 1469 mm
Wheelbase=? 3064 mm? to? 2888 mm
Front track=? 1582 mm? to? 1580 mm
Rear track=? 1595 mm? to? ? 1566 mm
Weight=? ? ? 1920 Kg? ? to? 1830 kg
The numbers show for themselves. The Maser (69K GBP) is longer, wider, heavier with less power and it manages to get a better track time than the M5 (62K GBP).
I am very dissapointed that BMW has spent a fortune on electronics and forgot about handling and car dynamics. The M5 doesn't seem to handle well. It could not match the better handling of the Maserati. What a shame.
Just to be fair I would like to mention that the Maserati Quattroporte got a better track time than the new Porsche Carrera (997), Porsche Boxster S, Mitsubishi Evolution, Mercedes SL55 AMG, SL600, SLK55 AMG, and Lotus Elise 111R!
A sample of Evo track times at Bedford Autodrome:
Caterham? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:19.62
Porsche GT3 RS? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:23.85
Lamborghini Gallardo? ? ? 1:23.9
Ferrari F430? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:24.2
Aston Martin Vanquish S? 1:27.4
Aston Martin DB9? ? ? ? ? ? 1:28.2
Maserati Quattroporte? ? ? 1:28:35
Porsche Carrera (997)? ? 1:28.55
Porsche Boxster S? ? ? ? ? 1:28.85
Lotus Elise 111R? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.20
Mercedes SLK55 AMG? ? ? 1:29.30
Mercedes SL600? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
BMW M5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
Mercedes SL55 AMG? ? ? ? 1:30.05
Alpina B5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.1
Ford Mustang GT? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.55
Cadillac CTS-V? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:31.05
My dream supersaloon has switched now from the M5 to the Quattroporte. Thanks Maserati. BMW: shame on you :thumbsdown:.
Evo did a road test in their last issue that includes the Alpina B5, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Maserati Quattroporte.
The surprise was the Maserati Quattroporte achieved a better track time by around 1.6 seconds at the Bedford Autodrome than the new M5
. The Alpina B5 was only 0.15 seconds behind the M5!The question now is: How did Maserati manage to design a car that is faster on a track than the M5 while being larger, heavier, and having surprisingly much less horsepower? Please take a look at the stats below.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Maserati Quattroporte? to BMW M5
Power=? ? ? ? ? 394 bhp? to? ? 507 bhp
Power/ton=? ? 207 bhp/ton to 277 bhp/ton
Length=? ? ? ? 5052 mm? to? 4855 mm
Width=? ? ? ? ? 1895 mm? to? 1846 mm
Height=? ? ? ? 1438 mm? to? 1469 mm
Wheelbase=? 3064 mm? to? 2888 mm
Front track=? 1582 mm? to? 1580 mm
Rear track=? 1595 mm? to? ? 1566 mm
Weight=? ? ? 1920 Kg? ? to? 1830 kg
The numbers show for themselves. The Maser (69K GBP) is longer, wider, heavier with less power and it manages to get a better track time than the M5 (62K GBP).
I am very dissapointed that BMW has spent a fortune on electronics and forgot about handling and car dynamics. The M5 doesn't seem to handle well. It could not match the better handling of the Maserati. What a shame
.Just to be fair I would like to mention that the Maserati Quattroporte got a better track time than the new Porsche Carrera (997), Porsche Boxster S, Mitsubishi Evolution, Mercedes SL55 AMG, SL600, SLK55 AMG, and Lotus Elise 111R!
A sample of Evo track times at Bedford Autodrome:
Caterham? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:19.62
Porsche GT3 RS? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:23.85
Lamborghini Gallardo? ? ? 1:23.9
Ferrari F430? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:24.2
Aston Martin Vanquish S? 1:27.4
Aston Martin DB9? ? ? ? ? ? 1:28.2
Maserati Quattroporte? ? ? 1:28:35
Porsche Carrera (997)? ? 1:28.55
Porsche Boxster S? ? ? ? ? 1:28.85
Lotus Elise 111R? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.20
Mercedes SLK55 AMG? ? ? 1:29.30
Mercedes SL600? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
BMW M5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
Mercedes SL55 AMG? ? ? ? 1:30.05
Alpina B5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.1
Ford Mustang GT? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.55
Cadillac CTS-V? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:31.05
My dream supersaloon has switched now from the M5 to the Quattroporte. Thanks Maserati
. BMW: shame on you :thumbsdown:.[snapback]185646[/snapback]
Really now...i can't belive this...maybe they did the test in CITIY MODE!
It's impossible that a quattroporte is better than the m5. Simply illogical and wierd. Maybe the masserati coupe gt wich uses the same engine far as i know, can smoke a gt3 on a lap.
))) Ok not let's be serious....Don't trust any magazine or any so called super accurate top magazine...if u just take a look at some magazines only at the perofrmance figures u can see alot of difference...sometimes even ridiculous difference. (yeah i know different type of drivers, different conditions but it's not like some did the test in the alps on snow with a idiot jurnalist and some on the racetrack with a proffesional driver).
I for one won't belive that fact untill i get many other results.
Did anyone know how much did the maserati coupe or quattroporte at top gear?
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Originally Posted by Shebs' date='Oct 18 2005, 08:24 PM
I just read an article in Evo magazine. In my opinion, Evo is the most technically oriented magazine around the globe. Their staff rate cars according to their handling, "fun to drive" aspect, and track times.
Evo did a road test in their last issue that includes the Alpina B5, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Maserati Quattroporte.
The surprise was the Maserati Quattroporte achieved a better track time by around 1.6 seconds at the Bedford Autodrome than the new M5. The Alpina B5 was only 0.15 seconds behind the M5!
The question now is: How did Maserati manage to design a car that is faster on a track than the M5 while being larger, heavier, and having surprisingly much less horsepower? Please take a look at the stats below.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Maserati Quattroporte? to BMW M5
Power=? ? ? ? ? 394 bhp? to? ? 507 bhp
Power/ton=? ? 207 bhp/ton to 277 bhp/ton
Length=? ? ? ? 5052 mm? to? 4855 mm
Width=? ? ? ? ? 1895 mm? to? 1846 mm
Height=? ? ? ? 1438 mm? to? 1469 mm
Wheelbase=? 3064 mm? to? 2888 mm
Front track=? 1582 mm? to? 1580 mm
Rear track=? 1595 mm? to? ? 1566 mm
Weight=? ? ? 1920 Kg? ? to? 1830 kg
The numbers show for themselves. The Maser (69K GBP) is longer, wider, heavier with less power and it manages to get a better track time than the M5 (62K GBP).
I am very dissapointed that BMW has spent a fortune on electronics and forgot about handling and car dynamics. The M5 doesn't seem to handle well. It could not match the better handling of the Maserati. What a shame.
Just to be fair I would like to mention that the Maserati Quattroporte got a better track time than the new Porsche Carrera (997), Porsche Boxster S, Mitsubishi Evolution, Mercedes SL55 AMG, SL600, SLK55 AMG, and Lotus Elise 111R!
A sample of Evo track times at Bedford Autodrome:
Caterham? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:19.62
Porsche GT3 RS? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:23.85
Lamborghini Gallardo? ? ? 1:23.9
Ferrari F430? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:24.2
Aston Martin Vanquish S? 1:27.4
Aston Martin DB9? ? ? ? ? ? 1:28.2
Maserati Quattroporte? ? ? 1:28:35
Porsche Carrera (997)? ? 1:28.55
Porsche Boxster S? ? ? ? ? 1:28.85
Lotus Elise 111R? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.20
Mercedes SLK55 AMG? ? ? 1:29.30
Mercedes SL600? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
BMW M5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
Mercedes SL55 AMG? ? ? ? 1:30.05
Alpina B5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.1
Ford Mustang GT? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.55
Cadillac CTS-V? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:31.05
My dream supersaloon has switched now from the M5 to the Quattroporte. Thanks Maserati. BMW: shame on you :thumbsdown:.
Evo did a road test in their last issue that includes the Alpina B5, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Maserati Quattroporte.
The surprise was the Maserati Quattroporte achieved a better track time by around 1.6 seconds at the Bedford Autodrome than the new M5
. The Alpina B5 was only 0.15 seconds behind the M5!The question now is: How did Maserati manage to design a car that is faster on a track than the M5 while being larger, heavier, and having surprisingly much less horsepower? Please take a look at the stats below.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Maserati Quattroporte? to BMW M5
Power=? ? ? ? ? 394 bhp? to? ? 507 bhp
Power/ton=? ? 207 bhp/ton to 277 bhp/ton
Length=? ? ? ? 5052 mm? to? 4855 mm
Width=? ? ? ? ? 1895 mm? to? 1846 mm
Height=? ? ? ? 1438 mm? to? 1469 mm
Wheelbase=? 3064 mm? to? 2888 mm
Front track=? 1582 mm? to? 1580 mm
Rear track=? 1595 mm? to? ? 1566 mm
Weight=? ? ? 1920 Kg? ? to? 1830 kg
The numbers show for themselves. The Maser (69K GBP) is longer, wider, heavier with less power and it manages to get a better track time than the M5 (62K GBP).
I am very dissapointed that BMW has spent a fortune on electronics and forgot about handling and car dynamics. The M5 doesn't seem to handle well. It could not match the better handling of the Maserati. What a shame
.Just to be fair I would like to mention that the Maserati Quattroporte got a better track time than the new Porsche Carrera (997), Porsche Boxster S, Mitsubishi Evolution, Mercedes SL55 AMG, SL600, SLK55 AMG, and Lotus Elise 111R!
A sample of Evo track times at Bedford Autodrome:
Caterham? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:19.62
Porsche GT3 RS? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:23.85
Lamborghini Gallardo? ? ? 1:23.9
Ferrari F430? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:24.2
Aston Martin Vanquish S? 1:27.4
Aston Martin DB9? ? ? ? ? ? 1:28.2
Maserati Quattroporte? ? ? 1:28:35
Porsche Carrera (997)? ? 1:28.55
Porsche Boxster S? ? ? ? ? 1:28.85
Lotus Elise 111R? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.20
Mercedes SLK55 AMG? ? ? 1:29.30
Mercedes SL600? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
BMW M5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:29.95
Mercedes SL55 AMG? ? ? ? 1:30.05
Alpina B5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.1
Ford Mustang GT? ? ? ? ? ? 1:30.55
Cadillac CTS-V? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1:31.05
My dream supersaloon has switched now from the M5 to the Quattroporte. Thanks Maserati
. BMW: shame on you :thumbsdown:.[snapback]185646[/snapback]
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' date='Oct 18 2005, 03:56 PM
Can't belive this!!! Well i don't trust many car mags...but give me an m5 for 3-4 days to get used to it and than move the trident ou of my way.
Really now...i can't belive this...maybe they did the test in CITIY MODE!?
It's impossible that a quattroporte is better than the m5. Simply illogical and wierd. Maybe the masserati coupe gt wich uses the same engine far as i know, can smoke a gt3 on a lap.))) Ok not let's be serious....
Don't trust any magazine or any? so called super accurate top magazine...if u just take a look at some magazines only at the perofrmance figures u can see alot of difference...sometimes even ridiculous difference. (yeah i know different type of drivers, different conditions but it's not like some did the test in the alps on snow with a idiot jurnalist and some on the racetrack with a proffesional driver).
I for one won't belive that fact untill i get many other results.
Did anyone know how much did the maserati coupe or quattroporte at top gear?
Really now...i can't belive this...maybe they did the test in CITIY MODE!
? It's impossible that a quattroporte is better than the m5. Simply illogical and wierd. Maybe the masserati coupe gt wich uses the same engine far as i know, can smoke a gt3 on a lap.
))) Ok not let's be serious....Don't trust any magazine or any? so called super accurate top magazine...if u just take a look at some magazines only at the perofrmance figures u can see alot of difference...sometimes even ridiculous difference. (yeah i know different type of drivers, different conditions but it's not like some did the test in the alps on snow with a idiot jurnalist and some on the racetrack with a proffesional driver).
I for one won't belive that fact untill i get many other results.
Did anyone know how much did the maserati coupe or quattroporte at top gear?
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Originally Posted by AC_S5' date='Oct 18 2005, 04:12 PM
Come on is only one test in one magazine, a lap time depends on alot of other factor, even though the Maserati is faster than the M5 by like 1 sec I wouldn't want a Maserati in my Garage.? Only 1 sec slower and you turn away from the M5 to the Maserati, shame on you :thumbsdown:
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And it is not 1 sec, it is 1.6 sec. Considering average speed of 120 km/h, which is 33.3 m/s, the Maserati is ahead of the M5 by 53.3 m.
I don't know about you, but for me that is a distance. Actually, it is a huge distance.
So shame on BMW :thumbsdown:. Again :thumbsdown:.
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Originally Posted by tomwid' date='Oct 18 2005, 04:42 PM
I know why the M5 got slower track times... the driver sucks.
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Totally unbelievable!
Maser is significantly heavier,has over 100 hp less and still faster on track then the M5? they are definately on drugs! over there, maybe they forgot to hit the "M" or "POWER" button
here is the article!
Maser is significantly heavier,has over 100 hp less and still faster on track then the M5? they are definately on drugs! over there, maybe they forgot to hit the "M" or "POWER" button
here is the article!
